[DCRM-L] Clarification of leaves and pages (6JSC/LC/21 Clarification of leaves and pages

[Ted P Gemberling]

It seems this whole argument misses an obvious fact. One side of the argument wants the decisive issue to be whether pages are printed on just one side; the other, whether there are numbers on both sides. But obviously, given that a leaf is two pages, it's possible for a book with leaves printed on both sides to have numbers on one side only. In that case, a book of 48 leaf numbers is also a book of 96 pages.  So the sensible thing to do is this:

48 leaves [i.e., 96 p.]

It might also be possible for a book with leaves printed on both sides to have numbers on just one side that represent the pages. In other words, after the leaf numbered on the recto "42," the next leaf is numbered on the recto "44." In that case, you would say "96 p." even though there are numbers on just one side. I can't say I've ever seen that, but I think it's possible. I suppose if it was printed on just one side, you would want a clarifying note: "Leaves are printed on one side only."

Neither criterion makes good sense. If we can put bracketed clarifications after the number of leaves, there is no good reason to adopt either.

Ted Gemberling
UAB Lister Hill Library
(205)934-2461

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In this regard, I point out to DCRM-Lers that RDA (which defines pages in leaves in terms of numbering) changed this from AACR2 (which defines pages and leaves in terms of how the sheet is printed) to be in line with the DCRM(B) treatment of pages and leaves; this revision proposal, unfortunately, changes it back to the AACR2 treatment. I think it's a step backwards, naturally, since I'm sympathetic with the DCRMB treatment.

Bob

Robert L. Maxwell
Special Collections and Ancient Languages Catalog Librarian
Genre/Form Authorities Librarian
6728 Harold B. Lee Library
Brigham Young University
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"We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine ourselves to the course which has been heretofore pursued"--Eliza R. Snow, 1842.

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Subject: [DCRM-L] Clarification of leaves and pages (6JSC/LC/21 Clarification of leaves and pages

Subscribers to this list may be interested in a proposal from the Library of Congress to "clarify" the definitions of the terms "leaves" and "pages" in RDA. The proposed revisions are as follows:



3.4.5.2  Single Volume With Numbered Pages, Leaves, or Columns
For a resource consisting of a single volume, record the extent in terms of pages, leaves, or columns as appropriate to the presentation used in the resource, applying the following general guidelines:

a)      If the volume is paginated (i.e., if there are page numbers on both sides of the leaves e.g., if leaves are printed on both sides), record the number of pages.

b)      If the volume is foliated (i.e., if there are leaf numbers on only one side of the leaves e.g., if leaves are printed on one side), record the number of leaves.

[Rest of instruction unchanged]

Glossary

Leaf: A subunit of a volume; a single bound or fastened sheet of paper forms a leaf; each leaf consists of two pages, one on each side, either or both of which may be blank.
Page: A single side of a leaf


The full text of the LC proposal is available here:
http://www.rda-jsc.org/docs/6JSC-LC-21.pdf


Subscribers to the PCC-list may have already read a healthy discussion on this issue at the beginning of the month. Bob Maxwell offered good arguments for why the proposed modification may be detrimental. Liz O'Keefe noted that the proposed definition for leaf would exclude manuscripts that are neither bound nor fastened together. For those not subscribed to the PCC list, a summary of comments is available on the CC:DA wiki:
http://wikis.ala.org/ccda/index.php/6JSC/LC/21

CC:DA will soon discuss this proposal in order to formulate an official ALA/CC:DA position ahead of the upcoming meeting of JSC. I will of course be happy to convey the thoughts of the DCRM community to CC:DA.


Thanks,
Francis

(RBMS Liaison to CC:DA)


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