[DCRM-L] Clarification of leaves and pages (6JSC/LC/21Clarification of leaves and pages

[Elizabeth O'Keefe]

It's not all that uncommon for manuscripts with content on both sides of
each leaf to be paginated only on the recto of each leaf.  E.g., 1, [2],
3, [4]. Since these are page numbers, not leaf numbers, we would give
the count in  terms of pages, with a note, "Page numbers written only on
rectos."

Liz O'Keefe


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>>> Ted P Gemberling <tgemberl at uab.edu> 8/17/2012 12:31 PM >>>
It seems this whole argument misses an obvious fact. One side of the
argument wants the decisive issue to be whether pages are printed on
just one side; the other, whether there are numbers on both sides. But
obviously, given that a leaf is two pages, it's possible for a book with
leaves printed on both sides to have numbers on one side only. In that
case, a book of 48 leaf numbers is also a book of 96 pages.  So the
sensible thing to do is this:

48 leaves [i.e., 96 p.]

It might also be possible for a book with leaves printed on both sides
to have numbers on just one side that represent the pages. In other
words, after the leaf numbered on the recto "42," the next leaf is
numbered on the recto "44." In that case, you would say "96 p." even
though there are numbers on just one side. I can't say I've ever seen
that, but I think it's possible. I suppose if it was printed on just one
side, you would want a clarifying note: "Leaves are printed on one side
only."

Neither criterion makes good sense. If we can put bracketed
clarifications after the number of leaves, there is no good reason to
adopt either.

Ted Gemberling
UAB Lister Hill Library
(205)934-2461

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Clarification of leaves and pages

In this regard, I point out to DCRM-Lers that RDA (which defines pages
in leaves in terms of numbering) changed this from AACR2 (which defines
pages and leaves in terms of how the sheet is printed) to be in line
with the DCRM(B) treatment of pages and leaves; this revision proposal,
unfortunately, changes it back to the AACR2 treatment. I think it's a
step backwards, naturally, since I'm sympathetic with the DCRMB
treatment.

Bob

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Subject: [DCRM-L] Clarification of leaves and pages (6JSC/LC/21
Clarification of leaves and pages

Subscribers to this list may be interested in a proposal from the
Library of Congress to "clarify" the definitions of the terms "leaves"
and "pages" in RDA. The proposed revisions are as follows:



3.4.5.2  Single Volume With Numbered Pages, Leaves, or Columns
For a resource consisting of a single volume, record the extent in
terms of pages, leaves, or columns as appropriate to the presentation
used in the resource, applying the following general guidelines:

a)      If the volume is paginated (i.e., if there are page numbers on
both sides of the leaves e.g., if leaves are printed on both sides),
record the number of pages.

b)      If the volume is foliated (i.e., if there are leaf numbers on
only one side of the leaves e.g., if leaves are printed on one side),
record the number of leaves.

[Rest of instruction unchanged]

Glossary

Leaf: A subunit of a volume; a single bound or fastened sheet of paper
forms a leaf; each leaf consists of two pages, one on each side, either
or both of which may be blank.
Page: A single side of a leaf


The full text of the LC proposal is available here:
http://www.rda-jsc.org/docs/6JSC-LC-21.pdf 


Subscribers to the PCC-list may have already read a healthy discussion
on this issue at the beginning of the month. Bob Maxwell offered good
arguments for why the proposed modification may be detrimental. Liz
O'Keefe noted that the proposed definition for leaf would exclude
manuscripts that are neither bound nor fastened together. For those not
subscribed to the PCC list, a summary of comments is available on the
CC:DA wiki:
http://wikis.ala.org/ccda/index.php/6JSC/LC/21 

CC:DA will soon discuss this proposal in order to formulate an official
ALA/CC:DA position ahead of the upcoming meeting of JSC. I will of
course be happy to convey the thoughts of the DCRM community to CC:DA.


Thanks,
Francis

(RBMS Liaison to CC:DA)


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