[DCRM-L] Signature question

[JOHN LANCASTER]

Although the ESTC record states only "plate" and "map", again the Texas copy has the plate of alphabets as well.  And it's present in the 1784 edition, where ESTC calls for "plates".  In the absence of directions to the binder or other mention of what's supposed to be present, it can't be determined definitively whether the alphabet plate is supposed to be present in a perfect copy, though a census of copies could be suggestive.

As to a/A - the preliminaries were typically printed last (which is why the text begins with sig. B in many cases), and the prelims. are often signed in ways that don't lead directly into the rest of the signing.  b followed by c is an uncommon combination, but not cause for concern that anything's missing.


On Dec 26, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Marilyn McClaskey <m-mccl at umn.edu> wrote:

> In my copy the map precedes the title page.  I also have a second plate at p. 168 (alphabets of these peoples) that I don't recall others mentioning--
> 
> Your solution looks logical.  I just wonder what happened to the a and A gatherings.  And yes, I was suprised to find the gatherings of 2.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> At 05:24 PM 12/26/2012, you wrote:
>> I wonder if the stub might be from the map - in the Texas copy reproduced by ECCO, the map follows p. viii, so if there is a map in a similar position in your copy, the stub could logically be either before p. v or after p. 4 (before c1 or after B2).  If the map were bound as a frontispiece, a stub after b2 would also be logical.
>> 
>> Given that the rest of the book is gathered in twos (unusual for a quarto at this time, I'd think), and what you can observe, I'd be inclined to go with:
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>> b^2 (b2 signed 'b') c^2 B-5D^2.
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>> and make any note that seems appropriate to record the degree of uncertainty in the formulaic statement.
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>> John
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>> On Dec 26, 2012, at 5:49 PM, Marilyn McClaskey <m-mccl at umn.edu> wrote:
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>> > Thanks for the guidance, John.
>> >
>> > The History of Sumatra, containing an account of the government ... / by William Marsden, F.R.S. ...   London : Printed for the author and sold by Thomas Payne ... MDCCLXXXIII.
>> >
>> > The book is well and truly bound and the pages so deep that I cannot tell the structure without doing serious damage.  I can see, however, that there is a stub between b and c, partially pasted to the back of b, but b is sewn in deeply, not dependent upon that stub.  I tried tugging at it a bit and it seems more like to be [blank] and b conjugate, then c and [blank] conjugate.  And actually, it may indeed be the stub that is conjugate with the first blank and b was pasted onto it before binding (which is likely contemporary with the publication)
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>> > Hope this helps.
>> >
>> > At 04:32 PM 12/26/2012, you wrote:
>> >> The first question that needs to be answered is what the structure of those leaves is.  Do they form two gatherings of two leaves each, or one gathering of four leaves?  (Or is one or more a singleton?)
>> >>
>> >> When asking this sort of question, it's also useful to provide information about the work and edition, for context.
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>> >> Thanks.
>> >>
>> >> John Lancaster
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>> >> On Dec 26, 2012, at 5:24 PM, Marilyn McClaskey <m-mccl at umn.edu> wrote:
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>> >> > I have a book that is signed perfectly all the way thru from B-5D².  There are 4 leaves preceding B1.  They are signed [blank] b c [blank]. The first is the tp, and the other three are the preface.  Any clue how I would record that?
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>> >> > Marilyn McClaskey
>> >> > Rare Books Cataloger
>> >> > University of Minnesota Libraries
>> >> > m-mccl at umn.edu
>> >> > (612) 626-0127
>> >
>> > Marilyn McClaskey
>> > Rare Books Cataloger
>> > University of Minnesota Libraries
>> > m-mccl at umn.edu
>> > (612) 626-0127
> 
> Marilyn McClaskey
> Rare Books Cataloger
> University of Minnesota Libraries
> m-mccl at umn.edu
> (612) 626-0127