[DCRM-L] Collation conundrum

[Lenore Rouse]

Thanks John and everyone else.

I agree that when binding decisions are conditioned by issue decisions 
they may not really be binding decisions. I'm not wedded to 4to in 8s, 
but the fact that my item is only signed through leaf A4, and would 
require renumbering  to accommodate the A^10 formula militated against 
that decision for me.

The pamphlet in question is:

Complutensis Vniversitas, pleno doctorvm conventv coacto, omnem 
communionis....
(Duke U has a copy :  OCLC 21948343)  Our/Duke's version is undated and 
without imprint, though almost certainly the product of the shop (in 
Alcala?) which printed a longer 22 page version of this pamphlet.

The longer pamphlet (WITH imprint) has been digitized and can been seen at
http://books.google.com.br/ebooks?id=G1RlI6epH6YC&printsec=frontcover&hl=pt-BR&source=gbs_similarbooks_r&pg=GBS.PP2 
<http://books.google.com.br/ebooks?id=G1RlI6epH6YC&printsec=frontcover&hl=pt-BR&source=gbs_similarbooks_r&pg=GBS.PP2>
Everything about this longer version has been reset, except for the 
t.p., and the latter bears closer inspection too.

best,
Lenore



On 11/20/2012 4:39 PM, JOHN LANCASTER wrote:
> I have been on the road, or would have jumped in sooner.  I've seen the other suggested formulations, but am responding to the initial inquiry in order to return to the basics.
>
> The pamphlet as it exists in this copy consists of a perfectly regular gathering of ten leaves, apparently (from the description) comprising two and a half sheets quarto.  I see no reason to postulate one or another complication of multiple gatherings; any statement of the structure should, in my view, begin with this fact.
>
> Since the only signatures in the gathering are a sequence of As, A^10 seems the only logical structural formulation, if this copy is the only evidence.  The signing statement would of course have to indicate that A2-5 are signed 'A', 'A2', etc. (assuming that's the case).
>
> If there is clear evidence (watermarks, uncut bolts or portions thereof) of which leaves were printed together on the same sheet, that of course can be added.
>
> But I think the description of it as 'a 4to in 8s' is misleading - it's actually a 4to in a single gathering of 10.
>
> Also, without other copies to compare, I don't see that having the blank first leaf placed where it is, is a necessarily a binding decision, rather than a decision of whoever issued the work.
>
> It would be of interest to know what work this is, and what other copies exist, and how they are bound.  ESTC would presumably provide some leads, if not actual evidence.
>
> John Lancaster
>
>
> On Nov 19, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Lenore Rouse<rouse at cua.edu>  wrote:
>
>> Hoping the collective wisdom can suggest the best way to formulate an early 18th-century continental pamphlet of 10 leaves. It's a  4to in 8s with an extra fold wrapped around the regular 8 leaf gathering thus:
>> [1 blank leaf preceding t.p.],  normal 8-leaf gathering A,  [single leaf comprising p. 17 and blank [18]]
>>
>> The simplest formula would seem to be:
>> [pi]1 A^8  [chi]1
>>
>> with a note explaining that pi and chi are conjugate. This should be simple, a common occurrence for pamphlets, but I find no direction in Bowers and wonder if something more complicated is in order? Because there is another edition of this title, virtually identical save for signings, it seems necessary to record collation in order to disambiguate the 2 (or more) extant versions.
>>
>> Thanks for any suggestions.
>>
>> Lenore
>>
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>> Lenore Rouse, Curator
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>> Catholic University of America
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>>
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-- 
Lenore Rouse, Curator
Rare Books and Special Collections
Catholic University of America
Room 214, Mullen Library
620 Michigan Avenue N.E.
Washington, DC 20064

Phone: (202) 319-5090
Email: rouse at cua.edu
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