[DCRM-L] T.p. verso, unabbreviated

[Dooley,Jackie]

How broad a swath of humanity do you want to understand these notes? IMHO the range of messages that catalogers send to the reader about info that's on the reverse of the tp should be widely intelligible, and very probably far beyond those who will encounter "verso" in any other context. They would, however, understand something like "reverse of the title page." (May lightning strike me dead!) Use of "leaf" would cause some real head scratching.

"Cancel," on the other hand, is used for a technical reason that only those interested in book structure have any need to know--true?

--Jackie Dooley, OCLC Research

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On Nov 30, 2012, at 7:32 AM, "JOHN LANCASTER" <jjlancaster at me.com> wrote:

> The analogy with the common and acceptable "cancel title" comes to mind.
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> John Lancaster
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> On Nov 30, 2012, at 10:16 AM, "Noble, Richard" <richard_noble at brown.edu> wrote:
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>> You either do or don't know what a "verso" is--we can inform the uninformed only to the most limited extent. Wouldn't "verso of title" serve? Those who know will know what that means, and those who don't won't understand any of these phrases. Perhaps we should simply not mention it, to avoid giving offense.
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>> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 10:06 AM, JOHN LANCASTER <jjlancaster at me.com> wrote:
>> My first suggestion is to distinguish between leaves and pages - a page can't have a verso; only a leaf can, despite the widespread (mis-)usage "t.p. verso" and variants thereof.
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>> Beyond that, I don't think it matters much which comes first.  "Verso of title leaf" seems more natural to me, but "Title leaf verso" is equally comprehensible.
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>> John Lancaster
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>> On Nov 30, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Will Evans <evans at bostonathenaeum.org> wrote:
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>>> If, under RDA, we are to cease abbreviations, how are folks planning to spell out “T.p. verso” in note fields?
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>>> Some thoughts:
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>>> Title page verso
>>> Title-page verso
>>> Title page, verso
>>> Title-page, verso
>>> Verso of title page
>>> Verso of title-page
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>>> Or is verso to arcane or Latinate for today’s end-user?
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>>> Suggestions?
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>>> Best,
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>>> Will
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