[DCRM-L] DPC on manufacture elements - final(?)(!) rule edits, with one example change

[Kate Moriarty]

I really like Manon's suggestion for 4A6.2.2. It's concise, simple, and
clear to me. And, as Jain has pointed out, examples can serve as
reinforcement of instructions which I believe they do in this case.

I liked the "In case of doubt" suggested rule but something was nagging at
me that it felt redundant and I believe it is the "generally assume"
instruction in 4A6.2.1 that Manon points out. So I don't think we need it
after all.

Thanks,
Kate

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Manon Theroux <manon.theroux at gmail.com>wrote:

> In Case of Doubt question: Personally, I think the "generally assume
> ..." statement in 4A6.2.1 functions just fine as an "in case of doubt"
> instruction. Generally transcribe the manufacturer as a publisher,
> etc., unless you know (or judge) it to be functioning solely as a
> manufacturer.
>
> But if others think an "in case of doubt" instruction is needed, here
> are some things I don't like about the text that has been proposed:
> - "publisher" should be "publisher, distributor, etc." following DCRM style
> - "agency" might imply a corporate body - some manufacturers are named
> individuals
> - "whether a named agency is a publisher or a manufacturer": The
> choice isn't publisher vs. manufacturer. We already know we're dealing
> with a manufacturer. It's more whether it is a manufacturer vs. a
> manufacturer also functioning as a publisher, distributor, etc.
>
> Split infinitive question: I confess it never bothered me, but I'd be
> okay with changing "to also be functioning as" to either "also to be
> functioning as" or "to be functioning also as"
>
> Formatting: Thanks, Jain!
>
> P.S. A plea on behalf of those without a color printer (like me!):
> Please consider using underlining to indicate inserted text in Word
> docs rather than simply using color. That way we can print out a draft
> in black and white and still see the changes...
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Fletcher, Jain
> <jfletchr at library.ucla.edu> wrote:
> > Hi, While I think this change may not provide sufficient clarity on how
> to proceed and I worry about how it will be understood down the road, I can
> live with this idea and the suggested text Manon gives in 4A6.2.2. I would
> still like the last rule that I've been suggesting to be included as well,
> so if this version is agreed to, then it would become 4A6.2.3: In case of
> doubt...[etc.]
> >
> > BTW, is it worth mentioning that there is a split infinitive in the
> first sentence of 4A6.2.1 that I'd also love to see changed (to: "also to
> be")? I can continue to bite the bullet on that one if no one else cares...
> >
> > PS: I've "formatted" the examples on this version so that it is more
> obvious where each start; I hope it continues to be clearer in succeeding
> responses, even for those who use "plain text" in their e-mail ...
> >
> > Jain Fletcher
> >        Principal Cataloger & Head, Cataloging Section
> > Collection Management Division
> > Library Special Collections
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Manon Theroux [mailto:manon.theroux at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 1:35 PM
> > To: Fletcher, Jain; DCRM Revision Group List; bsc at rbms.info
> > Subject: Re: DPC on manufacture elements - final(?)(!) rule edits, with
> one example change
> >
> > I continue to think that we should be able to resolve this in a simpler
> way. I'd much prefer to keep 4A6.2. as a two-part rule. That is the whole
> point of the "Generally ... However ..." structure.
> > Assuming we want to keep the examples that Jain has proposed, can we do
> this?:  -Manon
> >
> >
> > 4A6. Elements relating to publication, distribution, etc., vs. elements
> relating to manufacture
> >
> > Consider the wording, layout, and typography of the publication itself
> when determining the most appropriate place to transcribe information
> relating to the publication, distribution, etc., area. Keep in mind that
> statements relating to printing will sometimes be more appropriately
> transcribed as elements of publication, distribution, etc., and sometimes
> as elements of manufacture.  Consult the following instructions for
> guidance.
> >
> > 4A6.1. Statements relating to publication, distribution, etc., only
> >
> > If the publication bears only a statement relating to publication,
> distribution, etc., or multiple such statements, transcribe the
> > statement(s) according to the instructions in 4B, 4C, and 4D.
> >
> >         Geneuae : Sumptibus Petri Chouët, 1651
> >
> >         Viennae : Impensis Joannis Pauli Kraus, bibliopolae Viennensis,
> 1768
> >
> >         New-York : Sold by D. Felt & Co. ; Boston : Published by Cha's
> Ellms, agent, [1835?]
> >
> > 4A6.2. Statements relating to manufacture only
> >
> > 4A6.2.1. If the publication bears only a statement relating to
> manufacture, or multiple such statements, generally assume the
> > manufacturer(s) to also be functioning as publisher(s), distributor(s),
> etc. Transcribe the statement(s) according to the instructions in 4B, 4C,
> and 4D. Consider the words "place of publication" and "publisher" in those
> instructions to refer equally to the place of manufacture and name of
> manufacturer in such cases.
> >
> >         Moguntiae : In typographeio Ioannis Albini, anno 1602
> >
> >         Te Philadelphia : Gedrukt bij Hendrik Miller, in de Twede
> Straat, MDCCLXII [1762]
> >
> >         Albany : Printed by Websters and Skinners ; New-York :
> Stereotyped by G. Bruce, 1822
> >
> > 4A6.2.2. However, if the manufacturer is known or presumed not to be the
> publisher, distributor, etc., transcribe the manufacturer statement as such
> according to the instructions in 4E, 4F, and 4G. If any details relating to
> publication, distribution, etc., can be determined or reasonably surmised,
> supply them in square brackets.
> >
> >         [Boston : New York & Erie Railroad Company, 1856] (Boston :
> Farwells & Forrest, steam job printers, 5 Lindall Street)
> >
> >         [Ontario? : s.n., 1907] (Edmonton : Jas. E. Richards, government
> printer)
> >
> >         [S.l. : s.n., 189-?] (Milano : Stamperia Artistica)
> >         (Comment: Informational booklet for a traveling event whose
> programming details indicate that the event was to take place in various
> European cities)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Fletcher, Jain <
> jfletchr at library.ucla.edu> wrote:
> >> Hello, everyone,
> >>
> >>    I am attaching what I now believe to be the final version of the
> >> publisher/manufacturer rule changes, based on the last few suggestions
> >> I received. As I've said before, the reason I am sending an attachment
> >> is because it is the only way I can be sure that people will see the
> >> formatting and the red font I've used to show new/edited text.  I have
> >> only made one example change in the rules, the reason for which I
> >> discuss under the last area, labeled "DISCUSSION".
> >>
> >>    I would like to put this out for a vote by no later than the end of
> >> this week (the very latest timing: Friday, 10/12), so it would be nice
> >> if those interested could take a look at the new example along with my
> >> discussion, to let me know if it needs further tweaking.  (I hope
> >> not!) Thanks so much for your attention, Jain
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Jain Fletcher
> >> Principal Cataloger & Head, Cataloging Section
> >>
> >> Collection Management Division
> >> Library Special Collections
> >> Young Research Library - UCLA Box 951575 Los Angeles, CA 90095-1575
> >>
> >> v: (310) 794-4096
> >> f: (310) 206-1864
> >> e: jfletchr at library.ucla.edu
> >>
> >>
>



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