[DCRM-L] Deckled edges vs. Untrimmed edges

Fri Dec 13 15:44:24 MST 2013

But wait, there's more: For members interested in artificially deckling the
already-trimmed edges in their collections, I give you the Dual Edge
Ripper: http://www.dualedgeripper.com/

Merry Christmas!

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Mike Garabedian

Collections Management Librarian

Wardman Library, Whittier College

562.907.4859

mgarabedian at whittier.edu

On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Noble, Richard <richard_noble at brown.edu>wrote:

> Chainlines and wirelines can be added to machine-made paper with a dandy
> roll. By themselves they are no indication of hand-making, though those
> made with a dandy roll have a characteristic look.
>
> A posting to Book_Arts-L from one T. Belanger:
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> http://www.cool.conservation-us.org/byform/mailing-lists/bookarts/2009/02/msg00343.html
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> There's more to be found by Google-searching "artificial deckle edges"
> (use the quotes), the phrase that Dard Hunter used, and probably more via
> "artificial deckled edges".
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> RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY
> BROWN UNIVERSITY  ::  PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912  ::  401-863-1187
> <Richard_Noble at Br <RICHARD_NOBLE at BROWN.EDU>own.edu>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Ted P Gemberling <tgemberl at uab.edu>wrote:
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>>  Erin,
>>
>> That’s interesting. Do you have any idea how one would artificially
>> “deckle” paper?
>>
>>
>>
>> I just checked a couple of those 1893-94 books which have “Deckled edges
>> (Paper)” as genre terms and found they were printed on laid paper with
>> vertical chain lines. So I imagine that to get the deckles they just left
>> them untrimmed. The ABC for Book Collectors (2006 Reprint), p. 221, says
>> that according to some authorities, cut means that the edges of a book’s
>> leaves have been cut smooth; trimmed that they have been more roughly
>> levelled. But the writer says that distinction isn’t observed by most
>> people: catalogers treat the terms as synonymous.
>>
>>
>>
>> I suppose following that distinction, you could say the two books I
>> examined are trimmed but not cut. Trimmed so the deckles are still present
>> to some extent, so the distinction between “untrimmed” and “deckled” might
>> be meaningful. “Deckled” then means “uncut.” But since the distinction
>> isn’t ordinarily observed between cut and trimmed, maybe there shouldn’t be
>> both terms in the thesaurus.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ted
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] *On
>> Behalf Of *Erin Blake
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 12, 2013 5:26 PM
>>
>> *To:* DCRM Users' Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [DCRM-L] Deckled edges vs. Untrimmed edges
>>
>>
>>
>> I think the noun/verb issue Richard mentioned is the key: these aren’t
>> deckle edges (which are naturally-occurring on untrimmed handmade sheets).
>> They’ve been “deckled” (by a deckler?).
>>
>>
>>
>> So, “deckled edges” or “artificial deckle edges” but not “artificial
>> deckled edges.”
>>
>>
>>
>> Erin.
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>> *From:* dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu<dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu>]
>> *On Behalf Of *Ted P Gemberling
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 12, 2013 5:45 PM
>> *To:* DCRM Users' Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [DCRM-L] Deckled edges vs. Untrimmed edges
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard,
>>
>> I just saw one thing that bears out your interpretation. The books with
>> “Deckled edges” are all published in 1893 or 1894. They appear to be
>> histories of printing. One is The binding of books by Herbert P. Horne, and
>> another, Early printed books by E. Gordon Duff. Were those known to be
>> printed in an intentionally “old-fashioned” style?
>>
>>
>>
>> Our books with “Untrimmed edges” are all much earlier, but maybe that’s
>> mainly because we don’t ordinarily put physical description 655’s on books
>> later than about the early 19th century.
>>
>> Ted
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu<dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu>]
>> *On Behalf Of *Noble, Richard
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 12, 2013 4:31 PM
>> *To:* DCRM Users' Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [DCRM-L] Deckled edges vs. Untrimmed edges
>>
>>
>>
>> I assume--though without support from a scope note--the "deckled edges"
>> are edges treated so as to resemble those of untrimmed handmade paper, a
>> bit of late C19+ pseudo-poshery. Untrimmed edges are just untrimmed,
>> whatever sort of edges they may have, for which I wouldn't use the term
>> "Deckled edges" myself, though I might cite natural deckle edges in a note
>> as evidence that the paper in question is handmade.
>>
>>
>>
>> I expect disagreement, for which there is certainly sufficient reason.
>> Perhaps the addition of a term "Artificial deckled edges" would clarify
>> usage. ("Deckle edges" would be the better usage, since deckle is a noun,
>> not a verb: a deckle leaves deckle edges in the sheet. "Deckle" as a verb
>> might mean ... to knock someone to the floor repeatedly?)
>>
>>
>>
>> This interpretation *is* supported by the UF "Feathered edges" for
>> "Deckled edges", which could only be an artificial feature, if the phrase
>> is even standard usage in some context (I don't recall seeing it in a
>> bibliographical writing).
>>
>>
>>  RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY
>>
>> BROWN UNIVERSITY  ::  PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912  ::  401-863-1187
>>
>> <Richard_Noble at Br <RICHARD_NOBLE at BROWN.EDU>own.edu>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Ted P Gemberling <tgemberl at uab.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I’ve noticed recently that our library has used both ACRL Paper terms
>> “Deckled edges” and “Untrimmed edges.” I notice that both the Paper Terms
>> and Binding Terms thesauri have “Untrimmed edges”; “Deckled” is only in
>> Paper Terms. What is the difference? I looked up the terms in ABC for Book
>> Collectors and couldn’t figure out what the difference was.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Ted P. Gemberling
>>
>> Historical Collections Cataloger
>>
>> UAB Lister Hill Library, rm. 234B
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>> 1720 Second Ave. South
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