[DCRM-L] DCRM(B) 4D1.3-4D1.4

[Elizabeth O'Keefe]

Hear, hear.  This is something that CCO is very attentive to, because
descriptive information is frequently repurposed beyond the confines of
the catalog, in labels, catalog entries, online exhibitions, etc. It is
easier for object catalogers to do this, because they are not
constrained by transcription; nevertheless, CCO still insists on a
divide betwen data that is intended for display and data that is
intended for machine processing. It does involve a fair amount of
duplicate data entry, though.

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>>> "Noble, Richard" <richard_noble at brown.edu> 2/14/2013 4:13:22 PM
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One thing that a newly RDA-based DCRM might explore is bifurcation of
transcription and data packaging.

How this would work with MARC I'm not sure, but at the rate we're
going,
data normalization and descriptive transcription are increasingly
working
at cross purposes. In some cases, rather than try to write a note on
transpositions in which complexity will overwhelm sense, I provide a
direct
transcription, *sans* ISBD punctuation, headed "Imprint reads:" This is
the
tactic adopted by catalogers of the Staatsbibliothek zu Berlin, with
note
heading "Vorlageform des Erscheinungsvermerks", e.g.

http://stabikat.sbb.spk-berlin.de/DB=1/XMLPRS=N/PPN?PPN=568224914 

How far this could be extended to other areas of the title page I'm
not
sure. Presumably we still want to enable data matching of at least key
portions of exact transcription (*à la* alternate transcriptions in
246),
though linked digital images would be the best approach for human-eye
comparison, as in e.g. VD17, with its very embraceable
"Schlüsselseiten".

As it is, we're trying to reconstruct cows from the irreversible
deconstruction that is beef stew (or vegetables from vegetarian
chili--whatever).

RICHARD NOBLE : RARE BOOKS CATALOGER : JOHN HAY LIBRARY : BROWN
UNIVERSITY
PROVIDENCE, RI 02912 : 401-863-1187/FAX 863-3384 :
RICHARD_NOBLE at BROWN.EDU 


On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Deborah J. Leslie
<DJLeslie at folger.edu>wrote:

>  Ah yes, THAT elephant. I have no idea and don't believe it can be
done
> without completely mutilating that and countless other
> publication/production statements.   ****
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> *From:* dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu
[mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] *On
> Behalf Of *Auyong, Dorothy
> *Sent:* Thursday, 14 February 2013 15:11
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> *To:* DCRM Revision Group List
> *Subject:* Re: [DCRM-L] DCRM(B) 4D1.3-4D1.4****
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> And now, the elephant in the room.  How would we encode that nicely
> elegant transcription into the new RDA 264 MARC format?
> http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd264.html**** 
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> *From:* dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu
[mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu<dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu>]
> *On Behalf Of *Noble, Richard
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 14, 2013 7:21 AM
> *To:* DCRM Revision Group List
> *Subject:* Re: [DCRM-L] DCRM(B) 4D1.3-4D1.4****
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> Another second--and I've added this as an example in my copy of
DCRM(B).
> ESTC's transcription exemplifies the potential awkwardess that 4C3
> addresses.****
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> RICHARD NOBLE : RARE BOOKS CATALOGER : JOHN HAY LIBRARY : BROWN
UNIVERSITY
> PROVIDENCE, RI 02912 : 401-863-1187/FAX 863-3384 :
RICHARD_NOBLE at BROWN.EDU 
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> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:22 AM, Lenore Rouse <rouse at cua.edu>
wrote:****
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> Option 3 seems clearest to me.
> Lenore
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> On 2/13/2013 6:56 PM, Randal Brandt wrote:****
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> I am cataloging a pamphlet that has a confusingly constructed
imprint.
> DCRM(B) 4D1.3 and 4D1.4 do not quite address this situation. The
title in
> question is "An Heroic Epistle to an Unfortunate Monarch by Peregrine
the
> Elder [i.e. William Combe]," 1778; ESTC T36159:
http://estc.bl.uk/T36159 
>
> The imprint reads (with line breaks and original punctuation and
> capitalization):
>
> LONDON:
> Printed in the YEAR M DCC LXXVIII.
> And may be had of E. Benson, No. 13, PATER-NOSTER-ROW.
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>
> Reading DCRM(B), I see three possible transcriptions:
>
> 1) London : $b And may be had of E. Benson, No. 13, Pater-Noster-Row,
$c
> printed in the year MDCCLXXVIII [1778]
>
>     (with a note about the transposition)
>
> 2) London : $b [s.n.], $c printed in the year MDCCLXXVIII [1778], and
may
> be had of E. Benson, No. 13, Pater-Noster-Row.
>
> 3) London : $b Printed in the year MDCCLXXVIII, and may be had of E.
> Benson, No. 13, Pater-Noster-Row, $c [1778]
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>
> ESTC went with option 1 above (without the transposition note), but
I'm
> leaning towards option 3. What sayeth the collective wisdom?
>
> Many thanks in advance,****
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