[DCRM-L] DCRM(B) 4D1.3-4D1.4

[Noble, Richard]

One thing that a newly RDA-based DCRM might explore is bifurcation of
transcription and data packaging.

How this would work with MARC I'm not sure, but at the rate we're going,
data normalization and descriptive transcription are increasingly working
at cross purposes. In some cases, rather than try to write a note on
transpositions in which complexity will overwhelm sense, I provide a direct
transcription, *sans* ISBD punctuation, headed "Imprint reads:" This is the
tactic adopted by catalogers of the Staatsbibliothek zu Berlin, with note
heading "Vorlageform des Erscheinungsvermerks", e.g.

http://stabikat.sbb.spk-berlin.de/DB=1/XMLPRS=N/PPN?PPN=568224914

How far this could be extended to other areas of the title page I'm not
sure. Presumably we still want to enable data matching of at least key
portions of exact transcription (*à la* alternate transcriptions in 246),
though linked digital images would be the best approach for human-eye
comparison, as in e.g. VD17, with its very embraceable "Schlüsselseiten".

As it is, we're trying to reconstruct cows from the irreversible
deconstruction that is beef stew (or vegetables from vegetarian
chili--whatever).

RICHARD NOBLE : RARE BOOKS CATALOGER : JOHN HAY LIBRARY : BROWN UNIVERSITY
PROVIDENCE, RI 02912 : 401-863-1187/FAX 863-3384 : RICHARD_NOBLE at BROWN.EDU


On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Deborah J. Leslie <DJLeslie at folger.edu>wrote:

>  Ah yes, THAT elephant. I have no idea and don't believe it can be done
> without completely mutilating that and countless other
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> *From:* dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] *On
> Behalf Of *Auyong, Dorothy
> *Sent:* Thursday, 14 February 2013 15:11
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> *To:* DCRM Revision Group List
> *Subject:* Re: [DCRM-L] DCRM(B) 4D1.3-4D1.4****
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> And now, the elephant in the room.  How would we encode that nicely
> elegant transcription into the new RDA 264 MARC format?
> http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd264.html****
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> *From:* dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu<dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu>]
> *On Behalf Of *Noble, Richard
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 14, 2013 7:21 AM
> *To:* DCRM Revision Group List
> *Subject:* Re: [DCRM-L] DCRM(B) 4D1.3-4D1.4****
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> Another second--and I've added this as an example in my copy of DCRM(B).
> ESTC's transcription exemplifies the potential awkwardess that 4C3
> addresses.****
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> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:22 AM, Lenore Rouse <rouse at cua.edu> wrote:****
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> Option 3 seems clearest to me.
> Lenore
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> On 2/13/2013 6:56 PM, Randal Brandt wrote:****
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> I am cataloging a pamphlet that has a confusingly constructed imprint.
> DCRM(B) 4D1.3 and 4D1.4 do not quite address this situation. The title in
> question is "An Heroic Epistle to an Unfortunate Monarch by Peregrine the
> Elder [i.e. William Combe]," 1778; ESTC T36159: http://estc.bl.uk/T36159
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> The imprint reads (with line breaks and original punctuation and
> capitalization):
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> LONDON:
> Printed in the YEAR M DCC LXXVIII.
> And may be had of E. Benson, No. 13, PATER-NOSTER-ROW.
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> Reading DCRM(B), I see three possible transcriptions:
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> 1) London : $b And may be had of E. Benson, No. 13, Pater-Noster-Row, $c
> printed in the year MDCCLXXVIII [1778]
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>     (with a note about the transposition)
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> 2) London : $b [s.n.], $c printed in the year MDCCLXXVIII [1778], and may
> be had of E. Benson, No. 13, Pater-Noster-Row.
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> 3) London : $b Printed in the year MDCCLXXVIII, and may be had of E.
> Benson, No. 13, Pater-Noster-Row, $c [1778]
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> ESTC went with option 1 above (without the transposition note), but I'm
> leaning towards option 3. What sayeth the collective wisdom?
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> Many thanks in advance,****
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