[DCRM-L] Occupation in authority record: 374 Bookseller $2 marcrelator

Wed Nov 20 12:33:59 MST 2013

Hmm... But the "marcrelator" term designates an entity to entity
relationship, in the structure of an access point. Isn't the underlying
idea of using lcsh for 374 to provide topical access to entities as such?
Lcsh can just as well provide index terms for persons, in the authority
file, as it does for resources in the bibliographic file--which would favor
the use of a consistent controlled vocabulary for both, in the hopes that
the authority file might one day be of use beyond the cataloging office.

RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY
BROWN UNIVERSITY  ::  PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912  ::  401-863-1187
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On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Erin Blake <EBlake at folger.edu> wrote:

>  FYI, this seems worth sharing with the larger group, in case others were
> as slow to put it together as I was. Instead of "Booksellers and
> bookselling $2 lcsh" for Occupation in an authority record, we can use"Bookseller $2 marcrelator"
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> Long story short, for anyone who reads the whole thread, I'm *not* going
> to propose a code for RBMS relationship designators. It might be nice to
> have in theory, but I'm moving on to other things now.
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> Erin.
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> *From:* Robert Maxwell [mailto:robert_maxwell at byu.edu]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 20, 2013 1:21 PM
> *To:* Erin Blake
> *Cc:* Bib Standards Committee (bsc at rbms.info)
> *Subject:* RE: Need a source code for RBMS relationship designators?
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> I’m not arguing that you shouldn’t apply for a code, but given that you’ve
> discovered a code for the MARC list, and given that all the RBMS
> relationship designators are in the MARC list, you could do this:
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> 374  Bookseller $2 marcrelator
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> I’m going to start doing this myself—I hadn’t thought of looking in the
> MARC relator list for occupation terms, but obviously it’s full of them—in
> fact almost all the terms would be appropriate. And they’re singular.
> You’re brilliant J
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> Bob
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> Robert L. Maxwell
> Ancient Languages and Special Collections Cataloger
> 6728 Harold B. Lee Library
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> "We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine ourselves
> to the course which has been heretofore pursued"--Eliza R. Snow, 1842.
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> *From:* Erin Blake [mailto:EBlake at folger.edu <EBlake at folger.edu>]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 20, 2013 10:57 AM
> *To:* Robert Maxwell; 'JOHN C ATTIG'
> *Cc:* Bib Standards Committee (bsc at rbms.info)
> *Subject:* RE: Need a source code for RBMS relationship designators?
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> The RBMS relationship designators code wouldn't belong there, though. What
> I'm really looking for is a work-around to the fact that neither "archives
> and manuscripts" list of occupations seems to be shared outside their
> respective organizations.
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> Erin.
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> *From:* Robert Maxwell [mailto:robert_maxwell at byu.edu<robert_maxwell at byu.edu>]
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> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 20, 2013 12:54 PM
> *To:* Erin Blake; 'JOHN C ATTIG'
> *Cc:* Bib Standards Committee (bsc at rbms.info)
> *Subject:* RE: Need a source code for RBMS relationship designators?
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> Oh, I thought you were wanting to use the code with a 5XX that includes a
> relationship designator. If you’re not thinking of identifying the term
> when it’s being used as a relationship designator (which your proposed use
> doesn’t), then won’t putting the proposed code in
> http://www.loc.gov/standards/sourcelist/relator-role.html hide it? If the
> proposed use is to use the term as an occupation term wouldn’t it be better
> to have the code in
> http://www.loc.gov/standards/sourcelist/occupation.html?
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> Bob
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> Robert L. Maxwell
> Ancient Languages and Special Collections Cataloger
> 6728 Harold B. Lee Library
> Brigham Young University
> Provo, UT 84602
> (801)422-5568
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> "We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine ourselves
> to the course which has been heretofore pursued"--Eliza R. Snow, 1842.
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> *From:* Erin Blake [mailto:EBlake at folger.edu <EBlake at folger.edu>]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 20, 2013 10:48 AM
> *To:* 'JOHN C ATTIG'
> *Cc:* Bib Standards Committee (bsc at rbms.info)
> *Subject:* RE: Need a source code for RBMS relationship designators?
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> It would go in the "Occupation" field of an RDA Authority record.
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> We want to use "bookseller" instead of the LCSH term "booksellers and
> bookselling" (which mixes Occupation and Field of Activity, an RDA no-no)
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> For "field of activity" we can use "bookselling" (from the Thesaurus for
> Graphic materials) but there's no matching "occupation" term.
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> Erin.
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> and Cataloging  |  Folger Shakespeare Library  |  201 E. Capitol St. SE  |
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> *From:* JOHN C ATTIG [mailto:jxa16 at psu.edu <jxa16 at psu.edu>]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 20, 2013 12:43 PM
> *To:* Erin Blake
> *Cc:* Bib Standards Committee (bsc at rbms.info)
> *Subject:* Re: Need a source code for RBMS relationship designators?
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> I'm puzzled by the presence of a code list for sources of relators and
> roles.
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> There is no $2 in which to record such a code in 1XX, 7XX or 8XX fields;
> there is a $2 in 6XX fields, but it identifies the source of the heading or
> term, not the source of any relators.
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> So where would one record "marcrelator" -- or new codes for "rbmsrelator"
> . . . or "rdarelator" for that matter?
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>     John Attig
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>     Authority Control Librarian
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>     Penn State University
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>     jxa16 at psu.edu
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> *From: *"Erin Blake" <EBlake at folger.edu>
> *To: *"Bib Standards Committee (bsc at rbms.info)" <bsc at rbms.info>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, November 20, 2013 11:42:07 AM
> *Subject: *Need a source code for RBMS relationship designators?
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> We're looking for a MARC code we can use in RDA authority records to
> indicate RBMS relationship designators as the source, and can't find one.
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> It looks like it belongs on this list:
> http://www.loc.gov/standards/sourcelist/relator-role.html (which
> currently only has one source code: marcrelator)
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> Following that model, rbmsrelator would make sense.
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> Any objection if we propose that to the Network Development and MARC
> Standards Office (on behalf of BSC)?
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> Going once.... going twice.....
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> Thanks,
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> Erin.
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