[DCRM-L] Panoramas and DCRM(G)

Tue Oct 8 14:02:05 MDT 2013

That (invented) example was made all the more muddy by my shameful math; I intended the measurements as you have them. Sorry! As your example illustrates, a dimensions statement that includes measurements for the folded form and the extended form goes a long way to conveying that the item is a single strip.

Thanks Ellen.

Francis

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Francis,

Is the accordion-fold format comprised from the eight sheets or trimmed to each image as in the scroll?  I am assuming that they are the full-sheet,  otherwise you would not have the dimensions of the sheets as you suggest?   If it is untrimmed, then I think what you have is clear enough (the individual sheet size together with the full image size conveys the long length of item) with the explanatory note that the 8 sheets are hinged to form an accordion.  Though I am little confused by the full image size if each of the 8 sheets is 10 x 80 cm,  wouldn't the full image be "full image 10 x 640 cm"?  You also have this rule to apply ...

5D3.10. Folded items  When an item is issued folded, give the dimensions of the primary support and add the dimensions when folded if providing sheet dimensions ... with example   1 print ; sheet 14 x 120 cm, accordion folded to 14 x 14 cm

So yours could be?

42 pictures on 8 sheets : aquatints with etching, hand-colored ;  sheets 10 x 80 cm, full image 10 x 640 cm, accordion folded to 10 x 80 cm

Ellen

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Ps.  We have a number of similar items in accordion-fold format. When not in scroll form, I struggle to find a description that conveys the notion that the item is a continuous strip. Should we record something like "42 pictures on 8 sheets ... full image 10 x 240 cm, each sheet 10 x 80 cm" and rely on notes to indicate that the sheets are affixed from end to end?

From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu<mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu> [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Lapka, Francis
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Thanks Ellen and Erin. Your advice is sensible. I will go with something like:

300 __ |a 42 pictures on 1 scroll : |b engravings ; |c [open and rolled measurements] (scroll format)

With notes for clarification.

Francis

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I think Ellen nailed it. For the question of whether or not a separate record is warranted in the hypothetical example of it also having been issued as a codex, I'd also be inclined to use one bib record (with a general note "Also issued as..."), for the reasons Ellen gives. It's one of those cases where museum cataloging and bibliographic cataloging are different. But I wouldn't disapprove of two bib records.

Erin.

From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu<mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu> [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Cordes, Ellen
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Francis,

Okay, here is my take.  Other editors may feel differently. First of all, I would not call this a panorama since it does not form one image.

1) Since it looks as if you know that there were 8 plates used create this work create this work with  42 images (certainly as a scroll but possibly as a codex?) I think of it as a multipart resource.

2) Referencing (5B2.1. Choose a term from the list below for the specific material designation. If considered important, give further description in other physical details (see 5C) and in the note area.)

I think you could describe this as

8 prints on 1 scroll   if you want to emphasize the fact that there were 8 plates used to create the resource
Or
42 pictures on 1 scroll   if you want to emphasize the fact that there were 42 scenes

In either case the note would help clarify what is going on.

Also referencing  5B4.1. Containers and physical carriers for multipart resources. Record the number and type of containers or physical carriers immediately following the specific material designation when they are original to the material and necessary to accurately communicate its extent ... Container and physical carrier terms that may be added to the specific material designation include, but are not limited to ... Leaves it open for you to use "on 1 scroll" even though the word scroll is not on the list.  I would be inclined to use it since it seems that it was issued that way because both you (YCBA) and PM hold examples.

5B4.2. Multiple images on one support. If more than one discrete image is on a single support, indicate this immediately following the specific material designation (see also 1H).

3) I would consider it a scroll since it seems to have been issued that way, so at least use 5D3.11.1.  If you can, I would be measure it both opened and closed, but the rules allow you to provide just the rolled measurements.

5D3.11.1. For material created as a scroll (as opposed to material rolled for storage), record the sheet height x diameter when rolled.
1 drawing ; rolled to 29 x 3 cm (scroll format)

5D3.11.2. Optionally, add measurement of dowels or handles if they are original.
1 drawing ; rolled to 26.5 x 3 cm, on dowel 35 cm long (scroll format)

5D3.11.3. Optionally, record sheet height x length when unrolled
1 drawing ; sheet 39 x 380 cm (scroll format)

4) Hum.  Hard one.  But, since the resource is those same 8 plates, I would think it is one resource and only one record is warranted. Copy specific notes explaining the various ways in which it was issued?

Other ideas, fellow DCRM(G) editors?

Ellen

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For a certain variety of panorama, I am having trouble applying DCRM(G)'s rules for physical description and hope that an editor may chime in with guidance. I have in hand Robert Cruikshank's Going to a fight, and provide below a portion of the Morgan's record for reference.

This image may also prove useful:
http://cushing.library.tamu.edu/collections/browse-major-collections/GoingtoaFight.html

Questions:

1.       Given that the panorama comprises 42 distinct scenes, should we consider this a single item or a multipart resource?

2.       Let's assume that each of the eight sheets was printed from a single plate. What should we record for the specific material designation? 1 print? 8 prints? 42 prints? 1 item? 42 pictures?

3.       Should this be considered a scroll? Should we provide measurements for the item rolled and unrolled?

4.       Let's imagine another version of this emerged, comprised of each of the eight sheets somehow bound as a codex (but without a title page), and issued at the same time as the scrolled version. The content is identical, except that the codex version lacks the wooden drum bearing the illustrated label. Is there any reason to consider this a variation requiring a new record?

Please feel free to suggest an entire 300 field (with invented data, where need be).

Thanks,
Francis

*Author/Artist:

Cruikshank, Robert, 1789-1856<http://corsair.themorgan.org/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?SC=Author&SEQ=20131008064421&PID=Ghk919GSlEMtWH6aFS1jWKcZpBk_rRp&SA=Cruikshank,+Robert,+1789-1856>

*Title:

Going to a fight : [showing] the sporting world in all its variety of style and costume along the road from Hyde Park Corner to Moulsey Hurst.<http://corsair.themorgan.org/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?SC=Title&SEQ=20131008064421&PID=Ghk919GSlEMtWH6aFS1jWKcZpBk_rRp&SA=Going+to+a+fight+:+%5bshowing%5d+the+sporting+world+in+all+its+variety+of+style+and+costume+along+the+road+from+Hyde+Park+Corner+to+Moulsey+Hurst.>

*Published/Created:

[London : Pubd. by Sherwood, Neely, & Jones, Sept. 1, 1819]

Description:

1 scroll : col. ill. ; 2 1/2 x 156 inches

Credit:

Gift of Julia P. Wightman, 1991.

Genres:

Aquatints --England --19th century.<http://corsair.themorgan.org/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?SC=Subject&SEQ=20131008064421&PID=Ghk919GSlEMtWH6aFS1jWKcZpBk_rRp&SA=Aquatints+England+19th+century.>

Scrolls (information artifacts)<http://corsair.themorgan.org/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?SC=Subject&SEQ=20131008064421&PID=Ghk919GSlEMtWH6aFS1jWKcZpBk_rRp&SA=Scrolls+(information+artifacts)>

Panoramas --England --19th century.<http://corsair.themorgan.org/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?SC=Subject&SEQ=20131008064421&PID=Ghk919GSlEMtWH6aFS1jWKcZpBk_rRp&SA=Panoramas+England+19th+century.>

Notes:

Imprint and size from Abbey.

Continuous strip, measuring 2 1/2 x 156 inches; on paper. Signed: I.R. Cruikshank, Invt. & Fecit

Panorama of 8 sheets joined to make a continous strip of 42 scenes; in boxwood drum with colored aquatint label of boxing scene.

Signed on panel 2: "I.R. Cruikshank invt & fecit". Imprint on plate 8 (scene 41) "London Pubd. by Sherwood, Neely & Jones, Septr. 1, 1819."

Colored aquatints.

A copy of "Key to the picture of the fancy Going to a fight at Moulsey-Hurst. Dedicated, by permisson, to Mr. Jackson and the Pugilistic Club. Designed and etched by I.R. Cruikshank, under the direction of P. Egan" provided by a collector is in the departmental folder for this work.

Full record: http://corsair.themorgan.org/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?BBID=205451

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