[DCRM-L] England, Scotland and Wales in 752

[Hagan, Anette]

Hello,

Just for information, the National Library of Scotland uses the truncated form $a England $d London.

Dr Anette I. Hagan
Senior curator
Rare Book Collections
National Library of Scotland
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Edinburgh EH1 1EW
Tel. 0131 623 3895
Fax. 0131 623 3888
a.hagan at nls.uk<mailto:a.hagan at nls.uk>


From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Deborah J. Leslie
Sent: 04 August 2014 23:59
To: DCRM Users' Group
Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] England, Scotland and Wales in 752

Richard,

A good many years ago, Henry Raine brought this topic up in what was then called MASC. At the time my library, as well as most others that I knew of, used the shorter formulation, dropping the "Great Britain." After that discussion, in which a consensus was more-or-less reached that putting the country name in the ‡a was best practice.

I blame an example in MARC21 for it. Even though the subfields are clearly defined as:


·        ‡a Country or larger entity

·        ‡b First-order political jurisdiction

it includes this example:
##$aEngland$cGreater Manchester$dManchester.
(The strikethrough is added by me and is deliberate)

http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd752.html

Are the truncated 752's you're seeing from older records? The ESTC now uses the full correct formulation I believe, but didn't always.

Deborah J. Leslie | Folger Shakespeare Library | djleslie at folger.edu<mailto:djleslie at folger.edu> | 202.675-0369 | 201 East Capitol St., SE, Washington, DC 20003 | www. folger.edu

From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Noble, Richard
Sent: Monday, 04 August 2014 14:15
To: DCRM Revision Group List
Subject: [DCRM-L] England, Scotland and Wales in 752

Is there any near consensus, especially among British cataloguers, as to the proper formulation of 752s for locations in Great Britain? I have seen e.g. "Great Britain $b England $d London" in ESTC records, and, in other records of British origin, "England $d London". I realize that deep sensitivities may be involved in such formulations.

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