[DCRM-L] OCLC cataloging question

[Shiner, Elaine]

Richard & John:

Yes, I’ve compared signature positions with the last line of type, and I’m pretty sure that it’s the same setting/edition. Actually, I was working on this a month or so ago, and after I initially compared copies, I got busy with other things, and put it aside.  Now that I look at it again, I’m not sure that I don’t have a sophisticated copy. The final leaves are integral in both copies.  The title leaf is integral in the copy with the dedication, &c., but in the copy without, the t.p. looks like a cancel – the paper is much thicker, and it seems to be glued to the next leaf.  The devices on the final leaves are made from different blocks, but the devices are the same: the block used for the final leaf of the copy without the dedication, matches the block used on the t.p. of the other copy (with dedication, & integral).

So I’m going to hold off on making any new master OCLC records.

John, if you want to look at these the next time you come to Houghton, you’re welcome to. I’d like your opinion.

Elaine



From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Noble, Richard
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 4:38 PM
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I certainly agree with John Lancaster that there doesn't seem to be a real difference of issue here--unless the title leaf is a cancel. Are you able to determine whether the title leaf (and last leaf) are integral in both of your copies? The signatures note in OCLC 5165516 is a simple A-Y^8.

Have you compared signature positions vis-a-vis last line of type as a test of setting? If it consistently passes that test then you are dealing copies of the same edition. If the title leaf is integral in both variants, then you're simply dealing with press variants within the formes that contain those pages.

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On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Shiner, Elaine <eshiner at fas.harvard.edu<mailto:eshiner at fas.harvard.edu>> wrote:
The title-page has been re-set (with a different woodcut device), and a dedication (and “argumentum” for the first title) have been added to (or subtracted from) the t.p. verso. The device on the verso of the final leaf is different. Those are the only differences I’ve noted. The signatures are the same, and the final numbered leaf has been misnumbered in both variants.  As far as I can tell, it’s the same setting of type except for the title-leaf and the final leaf, although I haven’t compared every page.

See OCLC 5165516.

Elaine Shiner


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A couple of questions:

Is it really accurate to speak of "issues", when there is no variation that would suggest different conditions of distribution, publication, ete.?

What are the details of the collation?  Is it possible that the variants at the end and beginning were printed as part of the same sheet or forme?

I suspect I'm not the only one who would like to know what the work/edition is, and what the distinctions are - in case there might be a copy in one of our collections.

Thanks.

John Lancaster


On Jun 5, 2014, at 1:50 PM, "Shiner, Elaine" <eshiner at fas.harvard.edu<mailto:eshiner at fas.harvard.edu>> wrote:

Hello:

This is a variation of an theme that has come up before.

In the process of adding a copy to an Aldine record, I discovered that I actually had a different issue.  In my issue, the title-page was a different setting of type, but with exactly the same text.  Also, the printer’s devices on the t.p. and final leaves were very similar in the 2 issues, but not identical.  The issues are easy to identify because 1 has a dedication and summary (Argumentum) on the t.p. verso, while the t.p. verso of the other is blank.

I haven’t noticed any description of the 2 issues in any bibliographies that I’ve checked (although to begin with, I wasn’t looking for that).

OCLC has more than 10 records for this edition, with various numbers of holdings attached.  Only one of these records the dedication as a contents item, but it doesn’t make any mention of another issue.

If I decided to make a new dcrmb OCLC record for the “other” issue, I’m not sure which issue to describe, since all the other OCLC records, save 1, (and their holdings) could represent either issue.

If I changed 1 record to say “Two issues are noted …,” describing the two issues, I could then report all other qualifying OCLC records for that edition as duplicates.

What is the best thing to do, in this case?

Elaine Shiner,
Rare Book Cataloger
Houghton Library
eshiner at fas.harvard.edu<mailto:eshiner at fas.harvard.edu>






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