[DCRM-L] Revision to RDA 2.4.1.8 (Noun Phrase Occurring with a Statement of Responsibility)

[Matthew Haugen]

Those following this thread may be interested to see ALA's response to the proposal, combining input from us and other CC:DA members and liaisons.

http://www.rda-jsc.org/docs/6JSC-LC-28-ALA-response.pdf

Responses from ALA regarding the other proposals are being posted here as they are received: (http://www.rda-jsc.org/workingnew.html)

These responses, along with those from other RDA constituencies, will be taken into consideration when the JSC meets November 4-8. 

Matthew


On Sep 8, 2014, at 12:25 PM, Robert Maxwell <robert_maxwell at byu.edu> wrote:

> The basic problem is the old AACR2 procedure was found to be too confusing for people, so RDA wanted to eliminate the distinction between characterization of the work and nature of the responsibility—and I agree, this is sometimes a somewhat arcane distinction. If the JSC wants to go back to that distinction then yes, the answer is simply to reinsert the AACR2 language. But I don’t think that’s the result wanted. Though the rare community could argue for that if it likes.
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> I personally think the current RDA language is fine, leaving it up to the cataloger’s judgment. If that means somebody records information as part of a statement of responsibility that I would have recorded as other title information, I’m fine with that—I don’t think differences in this choice will sink the Good Ship Shared Cataloging Environment.
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> From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Deborah J. Leslie
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 4:14 PM
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> Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] Revision to RDA 2.4.1.8 (Noun Phrase Occurring with a Statement of Responsibility)
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> Colleagues,
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> Am finally catching up with discussions that have been occurring. I, too, agree with Francis and Richard. What is the outcome—does Matthew take this back to CC:DA to incorporate this community's opinions in ALA's response?
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> From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Lapka, Francis
> Sent: Wednesday, 13 August 2014 14:48
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> Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] Revision to RDA 2.4.1.8 (Noun Phrase Occurring with a Statement of Responsibility)
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> I agree with Richard. The current RDA guideline needs a revision, but this proposal places too much emphasis on sequence, layout, and typography. The character of the noun phrase has to be the primary (and sometimes only) indication of where it belongs.
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> The proposal is less coherent than its parallels in AACR2 and DCRM(B). The proposed wording of the if-and statement also implies that the noun phrase must always be recorded with Other Title Information if the sequence, layout, and typography suggest no preference—no matter how strong the indication of character in the noun phrase. I doubt this is the outcome the authors intend.
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> From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Noble, Richard
> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 9:29 AM
> To: DCRM Revision Group List
> Subject: [DCRM-L] Revision to RDA 2.4.1.8 (Noun Phrase Occurring with a Statement of Responsibility)
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> I don't see any improvement in the proposed revision, as well as further drawbacks, and find the AACR instructions generally more coherent. The question isn't a matter of typography, but has to do with whether the information is useful in a display which includes both the title proper and other title information, but not the statement of responsibility.
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> If the noun phrase characterizes the work or expression as a whole, then it ought to be associated with the title proper as, well, other title information. If the noun phrase has to do with the nature of the responsibility of the person or persons named, then it's part of the statement of responsibility. There willalways be grey areas, but with such guidelines in mind there will be a tendency to coherent if not always invariable results in the work of cataloguers.
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> The revision to regard typographical layout--which may have much more to do with visual design than with intellectual content--does result in intellectual incoherence. If the same words are differently disposed in another manifestation, then the 245s won't match.
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