[DCRM-L] Preferred Source of Information -- No title page -- Same title proper available in more than one source

Sat Aug 8 14:16:35 MDT 2015

I rather like the way RDA has it. Francis is conjecturing a resource that has no title page, no colophon, no cover, and no caption, but the same title proper in more than one location. I’m not sure it’s a service to the user to prefer a source with the title proper buried in prose in the last paragraph of the introduction, even if it has more information than, say, a running title.

And if the resource has multiple sources with the same title proper, and they are all presented equally formally, could we not leave it to cataloger’s judgment to choose the best source?

For reference:

2.2.2.2:
If the resource does not contain a colophon, cover, or caption (or an image of one of them), use as the preferred source of information another source forming part of the resource itself. Give preference to sources in which the information is formally presented.

DCRM(B)
0C3. No title page   [cid:image001.png at 01D0D1F5.97790D70] <http://desktop.loc.gov/search?&view=document&doc_action=setdoc&doc_keytype=foliodestination&doc_key=aacr21PERIOD0A3&hash=1PERIOD0A3&fq=myresources%7Ctrue>  [cid:image002.png at 01D0D1F5.97790D70] <http://desktop.loc.gov/search?&view=document&doc_action=setdoc&doc_keytype=foliodestination&doc_key=aacr22PERIOD0B1&hash=2PERIOD0B1&fq=myresources%7Ctrue>  [cid:image002.png at 01D0D1F5.97790D70] <http://desktop.loc.gov/search?&view=document&doc_action=setdoc&doc_keytype=foliodestination&doc_key=aacr22PERIOD13A&hash=2PERIOD13A&fq=myresources%7Ctrue>  [cid:image002.png at 01D0D1F5.97790D70] <http://desktop.loc.gov/search?&view=document&doc_action=setdoc&doc_keytype=foliodestination&doc_key=aacr22PERIOD14A&hash=2PERIOD14A&fq=myresources%7Ctrue>

For publications issued without a title page (and for publications issued with a title page when the title page is missing and no reliable description of it is available), if a single title proper<http://desktop.loc.gov/search?view=document&doc_action=setdoc&doc_keytype=foliodestination&doc_key=dcrmbTitleSPACEproperSLASHglossary&hash=TitleSPACEproperSLASHglossary&fq=myresources%7Ctrue> is available in a single source within the publication, use this source as the title page substitute. If the same title proper<http://desktop.loc.gov/search?view=document&doc_action=setdoc&doc_keytype=foliodestination&doc_key=dcrmbTitleSPACEproperSLASHglossary&hash=TitleSPACEproperSLASHglossary&fq=myresources%7Ctrue> is available in more than one source within the publication, choose as the title page substitute the source that supplies the most additional information.

From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Zinkham, Helena
Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 21 2015 21:06
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Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] Preferred Source of Information -- No title page -- Same title proper available in more than one source

As Erin mentioned, choices among titles pages and chief sources don’t come up often in graphic materials cataloging. What caught my eye in this conversation is the general idea that choosing a source with additional information is a positive thing for rare materials and something to hold onto for DCRM cataloging.

The opportunity to choose “the source that supplies the most additional information” reminded me of the objectives and principles section of a DCRM introduction—the underlying rationale for having DCRM rules. The text points out that users of rare materials must frequently perform identification and selection tasks without direct access to the material—consultation from a distance, limited access due to fragile condition of an item; inability to browse among items held in secured locations.

The rare material reason to hold on to such guidance as choosing the “source that supplies the most additional information” seems to be fundamental to the purpose of rare material description – go into greater detail to serve users of rare materials.

Helena
Helena Zinkham
Library of Congress, Prints & Photographs Division

From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu<mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu> [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Allison Jai O'Dell
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Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] Preferred Source of Information -- No title page -- Same title proper available in more than one source

Doesn't this really depend on the type of material?  (e.g., colophon for an incunable, cover title for a diary)

I am inclined to extend the list of "other resources" in RDA 2.2.2 with lots of "rare materials" (different formats, different time periods).

And yes, I did just propose a lot of work for you guys.  ;-)

Allison

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Lapka, Francis <francis.lapka at yale.edu<mailto:francis.lapka at yale.edu>> wrote:
Erin,

Correct. The issue is in the context of resources consisting of more than one page, leaf, sheet or card. For Graphics (still images) -- including those on more than one sheet -- our provisional guidelines steer close to DCRM(G).

Francis

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Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] Preferred Source of Information -- No title page -- Same title proper available in more than one source

Francis, can you confirm that we're only talking about formats where a title page would normally be the chief source of information?

In DCRM(Graphics), it wouldn't matter if the same title appeared in more than one place on the resource. You'd just pick one and make the always-mandatory source-of-title note.

Thanks,

Erin.

From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu<mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu> [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu<mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu>] On Behalf Of Bryan, Anna
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Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] Preferred Source of Information -- No title page -- Same title proper available in more than one source

I think a rare reason might be the special needs of incunabula, many of which have no title pages. I have taken titles from first lines of text, incipits, the colophon/explicit, prologues, tables, etc.

Anna Bryan
Senior Cataloger
Rare Materials Section
U.S. Anglo Division
Library of Congress

I speak only for myself.

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If a difference like this does remain in DCRM it needs to be justified by a *rare* reason, and not just be there because we think it's a good idea. I'm having a hard time seeing a requirement arising from the fact that we're cataloging rare materials that makes us depart from RDA on this particular issue.

Bob

Robert L. Maxwell
Ancient Languages and Special Collections Cataloger
6728 Harold B. Lee Library
Brigham Young University
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"We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine ourselves to the course which has been heretofore pursued"--Eliza R. Snow, 1842.
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Subject: [DCRM-L] Preferred Source of Information -- No title page -- Same title proper available in more than one source

I’d like community input on the matter of the preferred source of information for resources *lacking a title page.*

All DCRM modules are compatible with the idea expressed in DCRM(B) 0C3: “ … if a single title proper<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__desktop.loc.gov_search-3Fview-3Ddocument-26doc-5Faction-3Dsetdoc-26doc-5Fkeytype-3Dfoliodestination-26doc-5Fkey-3DdcrmbTitleSPACEproperSLASHglossary-26hash-3DTitleSPACEproperSLASHglossary-26fq-3Dallresources-257Ctrue&d=AwMFAg&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=t7GDkvcZa922K6iya7a6MxgVxxw7OjL0m1rPBXkflk4&m=BjeXZmLm1Jw9h2eF77smVbkjBumEpXxyXRcSHJ8uXxo&s=AVxnDydtRPSjomcJ5Fi6TKLUxFOIUpBL5g4DZSLP9_Q&e=> is available in a single source within the publication, use this source as the title page substitute.”

All are also compatible with the idea of an ordered list of preferred sources when (quoting B) “different titles, or differing forms of the same title, appear within the publication.”

When, however, “the *same title proper* is available in more than one source within the resource” there is a noteworthy difference. In Serials, this condition is not treated separately from that in which differing titles appear. That is, Serials prescribes the ordered list of preferred sources. The Serials approach mimics that of RDA (see 2.2.2.2).

For this condition, the other DCRM modules say to choose “the source that supplies the most additional information” – an idea entirely absent from RDA. If the next version of DCRM maintains this guideline, it would represent a major departure from RDA. Is this variation justifiable?

(I don’t yet have an opinion on the matter.)

Francis

Francis Lapka  ·  Catalog Librarian

Department of Rare Books and Manuscripts

Yale Center for British Art

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