[DCRM-L] 510 citations

[Laurence S. Creider]

If this second approach is valid, and I agree that it is, then perhaps the
scope should be changed to take advantage of we agree is more useful in a
the changed technological environment.

Larry
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Laurence S. Creider
Head, Archives and Special Collections Dept.
University Library
New Mexico State University
Las Cruces, NM  88003
Work: 575-646-4756
Fax: 575-646-7477
lcreider at lib.nmsu.edu

On Sun, August 9, 2015 7:08 am, Lapka, Francis wrote:
> I think Manon’s example merits use of a 510, as illustrated in her 2nd
> approach. Both approaches are valid, but using a 510 offers greater
> potential to collocate all resources described by the reference source
> (Hunter) – and such collocation is a plausible user task.
>
> Francis
>
>
>
> From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On
> Behalf Of Manon Theroux
> Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 2:59 AM
> To: DCRM Users' Group
> Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] 510 citations
>
> Deborah,
>
> Thanks! I had actually been about to follow up my original message with an
> example. I'll send it anyway.
> I was wavering between the following two approaches:
>
> 500  "Probably the first publication to be printed on American
> machine-made paper"--Hunter, D. Papermaking (2nd ed.), page 351
>
> vs.
>
> 500  "Probably the first publication to be printed on American
> machine-made paper"--Hunter.
> 510  Hunter, D. Papermaking (2nd ed.), $c page 351
>
> Hunter is a history of papermaking, not a bibliography or catalog. The
> sentence in Hunter that contains the quoted text actually does cite the
> atlas being cataloged, but only briefly; wasn't sure it qualified as a
> "published description":
> " ... the well-known book-printing firm of Matthew Carey and Son,
> Philadelphia, used the Gilpin paper for the text, charts, and maps of the
> 1820 and 1821 editions of N. Lavoisne's A Complete Genealogical,
> Historical, Chronological, and Geographical Atlas, probably the first
> publication to be printed on American machine-made paper."
> I guess even if Hunter doesn't go in a 510, the form of the Hunter
> citation in the 500 could still follow SCF guidelines (even if it
> shouldn't be proposed for inclusion in SCF because it doesn't fit the
> stated scope).
> Manon
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 10:12 AM, Deborah J. Leslie
> <DJLeslie at folger.edu<mailto:DJLeslie at folger.edu>> wrote:
> Hi Manon,
>
> I have always understood that the 510 is to be reserved for published
> bibliographical descriptions, despite the MARC format’s broader scope,
> and that references to other kinds of sources belong in a general note.
>
> Deborah J. Leslie | Folger Shakespeare Library |
> djleslie at folger.ed<mailto:djleslie at folger.ed>
>
>
>
> From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu<mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu>
> [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu<mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu>] On
> Behalf Of Manon Theroux
> Sent: Monday, 20 July 20 2015 14:41
> To: DCRM Revision Group List
> Subject: [DCRM-L] 510 citations
>
> Hi, everyone:
>
> I could use some clarification on citing resources in the MARC21 510
> field. If the resource to be cited is NOT a bibliography or catalog and
> doesn't contain a bibliographic description of the resource being
> cataloged, can the 510 field still be used for the citation or should the
> citation be incorporated into the general note? For example, citing an
> entry for a printer in a biographical dictionary to justified supplied
> dates in the 26X or citing an academic monograph to justify an attributed
> name. DCRM(B) suggests that you can ("or other authoritative reference
> sources") and points to SCF as a standard, but the SCF scope statement
> itself is a bit narrower: "bibliographies and catalogs (printed or
> electronic) that are useful in verifying, identifying, or describing items
> held in rare book or special collections libraries and that have been or
> are likely to be cited in bibliographic records, trade catalog
> descriptions, and bibliographies."
> Below are the relevant bits from DCRM(B), SCF, and MARC21.
>
> Thanks!
> Manon
>
> --
> Manon Théroux
> Head of Technical Services
> U.S. Senate Library
>
> ===================
> DCRM(B):
> 7B14. References to published descriptions
> 7B14.1. Give references to published descriptions in bibliographies or
> other authoritative reference sources if these have been used to supply
> elements of the description. Use the form and punctuation conventions
> recommended by Standard Citation Forms for Published Bibliographies and
> Catalogs Used in Rare Book Cataloging. Begin the note with the word
> “References” and a colon.
> References: Evans 24658
> (Comment: Made in conjunction with a general note reading: “Publication
> date
> from Evans”)
>
> 7B14.2. Make other references to published descriptions, if considered
> important. Such references are especially useful whenever the cited source
> would serve to distinguish an edition (or variant) from similar editions
> (or variants), substantiate information provided by the cataloger, or
> provide a more detailed description of the publication being cataloged.
> References: Gaskell, P. Baskerville, 17
> References: ESTC (CD-ROM, 2003 ed.) T60996
> References: Lindsay & Neu. French political pamphlets, 2194
> References: BM STC Italian, 1465-1600, p. 368
> References: Ritter, F. Incun. alsaciens de la Bib. nat. de Strasbourg,
> 277
> References: Palau y Dulcet (2. ed.) 19161
>
> 7B14.3. A general note may be made if a description of the publication
> being cataloged does not appear in a specific bibliographical reference
> source. Make such a note only if the publication fits the scope for that
> source and the source purports to be comprehensive for its scope. Preface
> the general note with the words “Not in” and a colon.
> Not in: Martin & Walter. Révolution française. Cf. IV:2, 9093
>
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> SCF Working Principles
> http://rbms.info/scf/working-principles/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__rbms.info_scf_working-2Dprinciples_&d=AwMFaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=t7GDkvcZa922K6iya7a6MxgVxxw7OjL0m1rPBXkflk4&m=yXDQTFGV8t6OGYM2Ri-tT_AqZe7T7u7YWwQZetruaBA&s=fhqrUm21Ht9V7gVCLQUnWe6lwzbMVUmhhFYvloCBbqY&e=>
>
> Scope:
>
> This database includes bibliographies and catalogs (printed or electronic)
> that are useful in verifying, identifying, or describing items held in
> rare book or special collections libraries and that have been or are
> likely to be cited in bibliographic records, trade catalog descriptions,
> and bibliographies.
>
> MARC 21 Bibliographic Format, Application:
>
> Use the citation forms recommended in this list when creating
> citation/references notes (field 510) in a MARC 21 bibliographic record.
> These notes are described in Descriptive Cataloging for Rare Materials
> (Books) 7B14.2 and other DCRM manuals.
>
> The citation/references note (510) field provides a simple bibliographical
> citation for a published description of an item and specifies where in the
> resources that description appears; do not include other information. If
> necessary, use a general note (field 500) to record additional information
> provided by the resource cited. Create a citation/references note (510)
> field for titles which might be useful for retrieval, even in cases where
> this would involve repetition of information already recorded in a general
> note:
>
> General note (500) field:
>
> 500 __ $a Evans calls this the 2nd edition.
>
> Citation/references note (510) field:
>
> 510 4_ $a Evans, C. American bibliography, $c entry 14023
>
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> MARC21, 510 Field
> https://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd510.html<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.loc.gov_marc_bibliographic_bd510.html&d=AwMFaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=t7GDkvcZa922K6iya7a6MxgVxxw7OjL0m1rPBXkflk4&m=yXDQTFGV8t6OGYM2Ri-tT_AqZe7T7u7YWwQZetruaBA&s=JJr6lxfnH5QA8nLOGZ41DJaXbws6jv3h3aDxQUS1vqY&e=>
>
> Definition and Scope:
>
> Citations or references to published bibliographic descriptions, reviews,
> abstracts, or indexes of the content of the described item.
>
> Used to specify where an item has been cited or reviewed. Citations or
> references may be given in a brief form (i.e., using generally
> recognizable abbreviations, etc.). The actual text of a published
> description is not recorded in field 510 but rather in field 520 (Summary,
> Etc. Note).
>
> For books and music, this field contains references to published
> descriptions of the item (e.g., descriptions of rare materials recorded in
> a brief, standardized format) or reviews (e.g., reviews in professional
> literature).
>
> For continuing resources, this field is used to specify publications in
> which a continuing resource has been indexed and/or abstracted and the
> dates of coverage, if known. The indexing and abstracting services
> referenced are primarily those issued as continuing resources. Certain
> monographic titles, particularly those that are standard reference tools
> in a subject area or that cover periods of time not included in continuing
> publications, may also be given in this field.
>
> For unpublished visual materials or graphic items collectively controlled,
> this field contains references to published descriptions of the work or
> collection. Citations to reviews of projected visual materials are also
> recorded in this field.
>
> For mixed materials, this field contains references to publications in
> which abstracts, citations, descriptions, or indexes of the described
> materials have appeared.
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