[DCRM-L] Title or edition?

[Mark Seidl]

Thank you, Kate, for your analysis. I, too, was thrown off by that graphic
period to the point that I missed the basic grammatical relationship.
Cheers!

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Kate Moriarty <moriarks at slu.edu> wrote:

> Question: Does the title need the nominative to make sense, in which case
> "editio ultima" would go in the title proper regardless and everything else
> accompanies it as other title information? Though OCLC does have several
> records without the nominative in the title proper and uniform title ...
>
> If so, the period after "temporis" might have to be ignored or changed to
> a comma as in OCLC 319721001 (not an ISBD record).
>
> Is this a MARC possibility?
>
> 245 10 $a Adolphi Brachelii historiarum nostri temporis editio ultima : $b
> in duas partes divisa : prioribus multo emendatior, & continuata in annum
> 1654. diversis variorium principum & virorum illustrium figuris exornata :
> adjuncti in fine articulis pacis inter Anglos & Belgas, cum iconibus
> praecipuorum maris praefectorum.
>
> I'll be coming across this kind of thing now and then so thank you for any
> feedback. And thank you, Mark, for posting this.
>
> -Kate
>
> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 3:11 PM, Mark Seidl <marseidl at vassar.edu> wrote:
>
>> Thank you both!
>>
>> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Noble, Richard <richard_noble at brown.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> To add to Deborah's note: If earlier editions were divided, then that's
>>> part of the general title. The rest, however, is probably specific to the
>>> edition, though again this may require comparison with earlier editions.
>>>
>>> Real Latinists invited to make a fool of me, but this is the gist:
>>>
>>> Much improved from prior editions, and continued to the year 1654,
>>> adorned with diverse portraits of various princes and illustrious men. With
>>> the addition at the end of the terms of peace between the English and the
>>> Dutch, with portraits of the most distinguished naval commanders.
>>>
>>> RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY
>>> BROWN UNIVERSITY  ::  PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912  ::  401-863-1187
>>> <Richard_Noble at Br <RICHARD_NOBLE at BROWN.EDU>own.edu>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Deborah J. Leslie <DJLeslie at folger.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  The most reliable way to figure this out is to track down the first
>>>> edition. If the first edition is divided in two parts (whether it states it
>>>> explicitly or not), then it's part of the title. If the division was
>>>> introduced in a later edition (which seems pretty unlikely), then it's part
>>>> of the edition statement.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Deborah J. Leslie | Folger Shakespeare Library | djleslie at folger.edu |
>>>> 202.675-0369 | 201 East Capitol St., SE, Washington, DC 20003 | www.
>>>> folger.edu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] *On
>>>> Behalf Of *Mark Seidl
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 06 May 2015 11:20
>>>> *To:* DCRM Users' Group
>>>> *Subject:* [DCRM-L] Title or edition?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Group,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm working on a record for a book, a picture of the title page of
>>>> which is attached. I remember my undergraduate Latin well enough get the
>>>> gist of the information, but what I can't quite fully parse is the
>>>> relationship of the edition statement to what follows. In other words, is
>>>> what comes after "Editio ultima" part of the edition statement, in which
>>>> case a lot would appear in the 250; or is what follows "Editio ultima"
>>>> really part of the title, in which case it would appear in the 245 (with an
>>>> appropriate note about transposition)?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> BTW, there are a few records for this title in OCLC, but none of them
>>>> look quite right to me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your help!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All best,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mark Seidl
>>>> Technical Services Librarian for Special Collections
>>>> Vassar College Libraries
>>>> http://specialcollections.vassar.edu/
>>>> Gargoyle Bulletin <http://pages.vassar.edu/library>
>>>> http://pages.vassar.edu/library/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Mark Seidl
>> Technical Services Librarian for Special Collections
>> Vassar College Libraries
>> http://specialcollections.vassar.edu/
>> Gargoyle Bulletin <http://pages.vassar.edu/library>
>> http://pages.vassar.edu/library/
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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