[DCRM-L] Keeping searchability on old citation forms (was: New citation for "Mortimer, R. French 16th cent." and Mortimer, R. Italian 16th cent.")

[Schneider, Nina]

Matthew

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I think a source code in a subfield 2 is a good solution, especially down the road when there might be more than 9 citation sources which would be problematic if indicators were used to distinguish sources (if MARC survives that long...)

Nina

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From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Matthew C. Haugen
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 8:43 AM
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Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] Keeping searchability on old citation forms (was: New citation for "Mortimer, R. French 16th cent." and Mortimer, R. Italian 16th cent.")

As some of you might now, a small group of us are working on a JSC proposal to accommodate references to citations in RDA. There will be a draft proposal available for community discussion sometime this summer.

In the meantime, that work gave rise to a related idea for a MARC proposal in addition to the JSC proposal, which I wanted to put forth for consideration of the DCRM community.

MARC Bibliographic 510, new subfield $2 Source of citation form
New name and title authority source code "scf" for Standard Citation Forms

This seems to me to be a possible method of enabling searchability on former and variant forms, as well as controlling, updating, etc., outside of local implementations like the ones Bob describes, especially if/when SCF is published as linked data. Potentially, $2 naf or other title authorities could also be used here, for titles not found in SCF. This seems somewhat analogous to 383 $2 mlati, for Music Thematic Index codes.

Does this seem worthwhile?

Matthew


On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Robert Maxwell <robert_maxwell at byu.edu<mailto:robert_maxwell at byu.edu>> wrote:
No, unfortunately the authority records aren’t searched and used in keyword searches of the bibliographic file. I completely agree that this is what’s needed; I’ve suggested this over and over to our people who are designing our “discovery layer” and they seem to think it’s a good idea and doable but haven’t done it.

Bob

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From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu<mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu> [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu<mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu>] On Behalf Of Erin Blake
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 1:34 PM
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Subject: [DCRM-L] Keeping searchability on old citation forms (was: New citation for "Mortimer, R. French 16th cent." and Mortimer, R. Italian 16th cent.")

Thanks for the quick work in creating the separate citations for Mortimer!

Bob, do you have a magic system where adding a cross-reference to the old form in your authorities makes it possible to include the old form in a keyword search? If so, where can we get one?! Cross-references only work when doing left-anchored browses for us, and I’m willing to bet that approximately no one searches our 510s that way.

The new citations are great for directing people to the right source if they already found the record they want, but researchers accustomed searching the 510 for  “VD16 AND 1222” or “STC AND 13828” when they have a reference number in hand are going to be troubled by
“Verzeichnis der im deutschen Sprachbereich erschienenen Drucke des XVI. Jahrhunderts” and “Pollard, A.W. Short-title catalogue of books printed in England, Scotland, & Ireland and of English books printed abroad, 1475-1640 (2nd ed.)”

Possible solution: use machine-matching to pair any tricky new 510 with a non-displaying-but-searchable local 510 containing the old form by locally defining a 2nd indicator.  Most of the new 510s aren’t going to be problematic for our users, but there are  a few that are so wildly different from what’s commonly seen in dealers’ catalogs that it seems worth making a list.

Anyone else considering something like this?

Thanks,

Erin.

From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu<mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu> [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Marcia Barrett
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Subject: [DCRM-L] New citation for "Mortimer, R. French 16th cent." and Mortimer, R. Italian 16th cent."

The Standard Citation Forms group has provided separate citations for the two parts of the Harvard College Library. Catalog of books and manuscripts:

http://rbms.info/scf/?post_type=scf_entries&p=1200
http://rbms.info/scf/?post_type=scf_entries&p=2548


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