[DCRM-L] SCF - citing online resources

Wed Oct 14 11:02:34 MDT 2015

I have reworded the instructions for entry numbers to try to clarify as Richard suggests:

Include the term “entry” before the entry number only if needed or desired for clarity. Another term may be used if it seems more appropriate to the resource in question. A number standing alone is understood to indicate an entry.

And yes, the instructions to include a term for page, volume, etc. numbers remain unchanged. Please see the Numeration section of our Working Principles: http://rbms.info/scf/working-principles/ The General Guidelines address the identification of page numbers, while the Works with Numbered Entries section addresses the now not-required use of the term "entry".

It was not at all our intention to make the 510 $c exempt from RDA spellings out. Page numbers should be indicated with the word "page", volumes with "volume", etc. Richard, I looked through our examples in the Working Principles and did not spot any uses of p., but I may have missed them. Would you mind sending them to us through the "Contact Us" link, or just email me directly? I'd definitely like to correct them to prevent confusion.

Thanks again,

--Ann Myers

Ann K.D. Myers

Rare Books Cataloger

Stanford University Libraries

Dept. of Special Collections and University Archives

425 Broadway, Suite 200

Redwood City, CA 94063

650-723-0123

akdmyers at stanford.edu

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Not quite sure how to word it, but perhaps a rider could be added to the effect that "entry" is the default, and may be omitted--that is, that a number standing alone (either simple or hierarchical: 127, 43-24, II.a.1.b(3) and the like) is understood to be an entry. The convention is so well established among those who use such resources that "entry" seems, as others have noted, like intrusive visual noise.

I should think that all locations other than those in fully and serially numbered bibliographies do require a term: a volume and page number, volume and entry number, page and number on page (e.g. Backer, Jesuit), and on and on. By the way, I see "p." being used in examples: is 510 $c exempt from RDA spellings out?

RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY
BROWN UNIVERSITY  ::  PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912  ::  401-863-1187
<Richard_Noble at Br<mailto:RICHARD_NOBLE at BROWN.EDU>own.edu<http://own.edu>>

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 6:34 PM, Ann K.D. Myers <akdmyers at stanford.edu<mailto:akdmyers at stanford.edu>> wrote:

When we (the SCF editors) recommended the use of the word "entry" in $c, we were simply trying to be very unambiguous in citing the location by making clear distinctions between entry numbers and page, etc. numbers. However, in light of the passionate protests from the rare materials community (and the confession of some of our own number that they had been omitting "entry" from their citations as well!) we have decided to adjust the recommendation in our Working Principles to allow for cataloger's judgment. It now reads:

Include the term “entry” (or other term appropriate to the resource) before the entry number if needed or desired for clarity.

I would also like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that you can always use the "Contact Us" link to bring issues to our attention.

Thank you all for your patience as we iron out the wrinkles in this new resource, and rest assured that no rare book cataloging cards have been revoked.

--Ann Myers, on behalf of the Standard Citation Forms Subcommittee

Ann K.D. Myers

Rare Books Cataloger

Stanford University Libraries

Dept. of Special Collections and University Archives

425 Broadway, Suite 200

Redwood City, CA 94063

650-723-0123<tel:650-723-0123>

akdmyers at stanford.edu<mailto:akdmyers at stanford.edu>

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I do agree with Will Evans concerning a 642 analogue in SCF records, which I suggested independently in a related correspondence. Best if it were simply routine, to obviate agonizing about whether or not "the form of the enumeration [does/]does not correspond directly to the resource". Editorial judgment might be the basis for adding a "location within source complexity note".

Also agree re "entry".

RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY
BROWN UNIVERSITY  ::  PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912  ::  401-863-1187<tel:401-863-1187>
<Richard_Noble at Br<mailto:RICHARD_NOBLE at BROWN.EDU>own.edu<http://own.edu>>

On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Will Evans <evans at bostonathenaeum.org<mailto:evans at bostonathenaeum.org>> wrote:
I’ll add my voice to the chorus of dissenters and calls for the removal of “entry”  from the standard. I admit to never having added it before a citation number, and I don’t see such instructions in my dog-eared copy SCF 2nd ed. Why the change?

While we are on the subject of enumeration, I wonder if any thought  has been given to adding to the established citations something analogous to the 642 field (series numbering example) that is sometimes found in series authority records. I think this would be helpful in situations where the preferred form of the numeration does not correspond directly to the resource. Wing comes to mind.

Another country heard from.

Best,
Will

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