[DCRM-L] SCF - citing online resources

[Noble, Richard]

Not quite sure how to word it, but perhaps a rider could be added to the
effect that "entry" is the default, and may be omitted--that is, that a
number standing alone (either simple or hierarchical: 127, 43-24,
II.a.1.b(3) and the like) is understood to be an entry. The convention is
so well established among those who use such resources that "entry" seems,
as others have noted, like intrusive visual noise.

I should think that all locations other than those in fully and serially
numbered bibliographies do require a term: a volume and page number, volume
and entry number, page and number on page (e.g. Backer, Jesuit), and on and
on. By the way, I see "p." being used in examples: is 510 $c exempt from
RDA spellings out?

RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY
BROWN UNIVERSITY  ::  PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912  ::  401-863-1187
<Richard_Noble at Br <RICHARD_NOBLE at BROWN.EDU>own.edu>

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 6:34 PM, Ann K.D. Myers <akdmyers at stanford.edu>
wrote:

> When we (the SCF editors) recommended the use of the word "entry" in $c,
> we were simply trying to be very unambiguous in citing the location by
> making clear distinctions between entry numbers and page, etc. numbers.
> However, in light of the passionate protests from the rare materials
> community (and the confession of some of our own number that they had been
> omitting "entry" from their citations as well!) we have decided to adjust
> the recommendation in our Working Principles to allow for cataloger's
> judgment. It now reads:
>
>
> Include the term “entry” (or other term appropriate to the resource)
> before the entry number *if needed or desired for clarity*.
>
>
> I would also like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that you can
> always use the "Contact Us" link to bring issues to our attention.
>
>
> Thank you all for your patience as we iron out the wrinkles in this new
> resource, and rest assured that no rare book cataloging cards have been
> revoked.
>
> --Ann Myers, on behalf of the Standard Citation Forms Subcommittee
>
>
>
> Ann K.D. Myers
>
> Rare Books Cataloger
>
> Stanford University Libraries
>
> Dept. of Special Collections and University Archives
>
> 425 Broadway, Suite 200
>
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>
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>
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> *From:* dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu <dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu> on behalf
> of Noble, Richard <richard_noble at brown.edu>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 13, 2015 7:29 AM
> *To:* DCRM Users' Group
> *Subject:* Re: [DCRM-L] SCF - citing online resources
>
> I do agree with Will Evans concerning a 642 analogue in SCF records, which
> I suggested independently in a related correspondence. Best if it were
> simply routine, to obviate agonizing about whether or not "the form of the
> enumeration [does/]does not correspond directly to the resource". Editorial
> judgment might be the basis for adding a "location within source complexity
> note".
>
> Also agree re "entry".
>
> RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY
> BROWN UNIVERSITY  ::  PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912  ::  401-863-1187
> <Richard_Noble at Br <RICHARD_NOBLE at BROWN.EDU>own.edu>
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Will Evans <evans at bostonathenaeum.org>
> wrote:
>
>> I’ll add my voice to the chorus of dissenters and calls for the removal
>> of “entry”  from the standard. I admit to never having added it before a
>> citation number, and I don’t see such instructions in my dog-eared copy SCF
>> 2nd ed. Why the change?
>>
>>
>>
>> While we are on the subject of enumeration, I wonder if any thought  has
>> been given to adding to the established citations something analogous to
>> the 642 field (series numbering example) that is sometimes found in series
>> authority records. I think this would be helpful in situations where the
>> preferred form of the numeration does not correspond directly to the
>> resource. Wing comes to mind.
>>
>>
>>
>> Another country heard from.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Will
>>
>>
>>
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