[DCRM-L] Fore-edge decoration description

[Deborah J. Leslie]

Karen, that's great!

Deborah J. Leslie | Folger Shakespeare Library | djleslie at folger.edu | 202.675-0369 | 201 East Capitol St., SE, Washington, DC 20003 | www. folger.edu

From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Nipps, Karen
Sent: Wednesday, 28 October 2015 12:25
To: rbrandt at library.berkeley.edu; DCRM Users' Group
Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] Fore-edge decoration description

Hi, Randal and All – I am excited to report that the dream of linked copy-specific images has become a reality at Harvard. We do this from our desks using inexpensive scanners. Here are a few examples. Our clever IT staff also figured out how to embed thumbnails in a list display. Let me know if you would like to know more about the magic potion we concocted to make this a reality. Best, Karen

http://id.lib.harvard.edu/aleph/014289772/catalog

http://id.lib.harvard.edu/aleph/013393820/catalog
http://id.lib.harvard.edu/aleph/014156281/catalog
http://id.lib.harvard.edu/aleph/000003676/catalog
http://id.lib.harvard.edu/aleph/004264138/catalog


Karen Nipps
Head, Rare Book Team
Houghton Library
Harvard University
Cambridge, MA 02138
Phone: 617-496-9190
FAX: 617-495-1376

From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu<mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu> [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Randal S. BRANDT
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 12:57 PM
To: DCRM Users' Group
Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] Fore-edge decoration description

Many thanks to everyone who responded to this query. I've decided to keep things simple and go with "edges decorated with alternating red and green stripes." Maybe Deborah's dream of linked copy-specific images will someday be a reality...

As for the color choice, I suspect it mainly had to do with the colors of the illustrations contained in the text. It is an herbal, with approximately 400 woodcuts, all hand colored. The Bancroft copy is very similar to this copy, if anyone wants to feast their eyes on it: http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0008/bsb00082640/images/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__daten.digitale-2Dsammlungen.de_-7Edb_0008_bsb00082640_images_&d=CwMFaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=osltSoeCDQty5lmuoulgrFY35SLz-pJgoWLp6lezjgs&m=FSMSEPGTxKsN8N1hvXRd4GB3yZYiWbAEYBREnEjsx4Y&s=LFqyGTXQkMhPdx-w-maPCieR9M-07eLHedQ0Z5neKT0&e=> (note that this copy includes a lengthy manuscript index at the beginning; the text starts at image 39, the frontispiece is image 38 -- sadly wanting from Bancroft's copy...)



On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Deborah J. Leslie <DJLeslie at folger.edu<mailto:DJLeslie at folger.edu>> wrote:
What's wrong with sticking to what you know for sure: "Decorated with red and green stripes." Add a URL to the image to your record, and you've covered your bases.

Something that the BSC can do when it's finished all its other projects. (-;): turn its attention to protocols or best practices for linking copy-specific images to bibliographical and/or holdings records.

Deborah J. Leslie | Folger Shakespeare Library | djleslie at folger.edu<mailto:djleslie at folger.edu> | 202.675-0369<tel:202.675-0369> | 201 East Capitol St., SE, Washington, DC 20003 | www. folger.edu<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__folger.edu&d=CwMFaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=osltSoeCDQty5lmuoulgrFY35SLz-pJgoWLp6lezjgs&m=FSMSEPGTxKsN8N1hvXRd4GB3yZYiWbAEYBREnEjsx4Y&s=8w59Ib2YoO4Zs5NexrSA_6epjsdav7lk_wogxkk_OpQ&e=>

From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu<mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu> [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu<mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu>] On Behalf Of Alex Kyrios
Sent: Monday, 19 October 2015 09:36
To: DCRM Users' Group

Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] Fore-edge decoration description

I had to do a bit of research here, but the modern Italian flag only seems to date back to 1797. Portugal’s green and red flag is an even later creation (1911). We can’t definitively date the colors based on a Flickr photo, but they look older than that to me. The Welsh flag dates to Henry VII, which would be contemporaneous with the book’s publication, but that seems a bit of a stretch. Of course, we may be looking too closely at this; maybe they just looked pretty or were the colors at hand!

Alex Kyrios
Cataloger
Folger Shakespeare Library
(202) 608-1713<tel:%28202%29%20608-1713>
akyrios at folger.edu<mailto:akyrios at folger.edu>

From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu<mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu> [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Randal S. BRANDT
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 8:03 PM
To: Jane Stemp Wickenden
Cc: DCRM Users' Group
Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] Fore-edge decoration description

Unfortunately, there are no provenance indications in the book itself. Italian ownership could be an explanation for the colors!

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Jane Stemp Wickenden <jane.wickenden at zen.co.uk<mailto:jane.wickenden at zen.co.uk>> wrote:
My immediate thought was "spattered" but as far as I know that is not a technical term! sorry ... one finger and a wet toothbrush comes to mind...

Was the book ever in Italian ownership, just as a matter of interest? (given the colours).

Jane

On 16/10/2015 00:15, Randal S. BRANDT wrote:
I'm trying to describe an edge decoration situation I've never seen before. Since a picture is more effective than words, please see some images I posted Flickr:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/7321780@N05/21582825453/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.flickr.com_photos_7321780-40N05_21582825453_&d=CwMFaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=osltSoeCDQty5lmuoulgrFY35SLz-pJgoWLp6lezjgs&m=FSMSEPGTxKsN8N1hvXRd4GB3yZYiWbAEYBREnEjsx4Y&s=1oMLOnorZb8ovKVAqEM6wU3ShVFIb2Yy4Zt_0PtStyI&e=>

https://www.flickr.com/photos/7321780@N05/22016053948/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.flickr.com_photos_7321780-40N05_22016053948_&d=CwMFaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=osltSoeCDQty5lmuoulgrFY35SLz-pJgoWLp6lezjgs&m=FSMSEPGTxKsN8N1hvXRd4GB3yZYiWbAEYBREnEjsx4Y&s=kkIuxPeTPhf7gP_ixhYLDN_CMDBd_CXruuNRgUwxDgg&e=>

Right now, I've got "edges sprinkled [?] in alternating red and green stripes". Can anyone come up with something better? Is there a technical term for this type of decoration?

FYI, the book in question is Gart der Gesundheit (Augsburg : Johann Schönsperger, 1486).

Thanks!
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Randal S. Brandt
The Bancroft Library | University of California, Berkeley
510.643.2275<tel:510.643.2275> | rbrandt at library.berkeley.edu<mailto:rbrandt at library.berkeley.edu>




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Randal S. Brandt
The Bancroft Library | University of California, Berkeley
510.643.2275<tel:510.643.2275> | rbrandt at library.berkeley.edu<mailto:rbrandt at library.berkeley.edu>



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Randal S. Brandt
The Bancroft Library | University of California, Berkeley
510.643.2275 | rbrandt at library.berkeley.edu<mailto:rbrandt at library.berkeley.edu>
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