[DCRM-L] Ligatus thesaurus

[Matthew C. Haugen]

Hi Nina, I noticed those codes too. The new codes relating to the RBMS CVs
seen in the MARC Technical Notice on April 7 are separate from the RBMS
Genre/Form codes, which have not changed.

These new source codes are for standard identifiers, not for terms, and are
specified for use in 024 $7, not in 655 $7.

Encoding this in an authority record for a term would allow for
establishing equivalencies between other vocabularies, and other
applications which would rely on identifiers rather than terms. I did not
see any announcements or discussion about these codes, either.

I suspect their addition has something to do with the work to publication
of the CVs as linked data? https://github.com/rbmsvocabs

Perhaps someone else can elucidate.

Matt

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 12:03 PM, Schneider, Nina <
nschneider at humnet.ucla.edu> wrote:

> All,
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> I just had a look at this list and noticed the RBMS thesaurus/CV codes
> have also changed. Did I miss an announcement?
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> Nina
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> Nina M. Schneider
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> Chair, RBMS Bibliographic Standards Committee
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> Rare Books Librarian
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> William Andrews Clark Memorial Library
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> 2520 Cimarron Street
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> Los Angeles, CA  90018
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> (323) 731-8529
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> nschneider at humnet.ucla.edu
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> *From:* dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] *On
> Behalf Of *Matthew C. Haugen
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2016 8:02 AM
> *To:* DCRM Users' Group
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> *Subject:* Re: [DCRM-L] FW: [Marketing Mail] Re: ["EXLIBRIS-L"] Ligatus
> thesaurus [Was "Untrimmed Edges"]
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> Richard, Thank you for the suggestion. I queried them just now, and will
> let the list know what I hear.
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> Thanks,
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> Matt
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> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Noble, Richard <richard_noble at brown.edu>
> wrote:
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> Matt-
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> Did you query the MARC Standards Office about "kobt"? It looks very much
> like a typo from whatever source that found its way into the two documents.
> If it is, then it should be corrected asap, before it finds its way into
> too many records.
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> Richard
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> RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY
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> BROWN UNIVERSITY  ::  PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912  ::  401-863-1187
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> <Richard_Noble at Br <RICHARD_NOBLE at BROWN.EDU>own.edu>
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> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 6:05 PM, Matthew C. Haugen <
> matthew.haugen at columbia.edu> wrote:
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> All, Thanks for the feedback. I submitted a request for a new source code
> for the Language of Bindings Thesaurus to the MARC standards office on
> February 5. A new code was announced in the MARC Technical Notice on April
> 7, but it just came to my attention today:
> Genre/Form Code and Term Source Codes
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> The following source code has been added to the Genre/Form Code and Term
> Source Codes <http://www.loc.gov/standards/sourcelist/genre-form.html>
> list for usage in appropriate fields and elements.
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> Additions
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>    - kobt - Language of Bindings Thesaurus (London: University of Arts)
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> Sources:
> http://www.loc.gov/marc/relators/tn160406src.html
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> http://www.loc.gov/standards/sourcelist/genre-form.html
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> This enables the use of the thesaurus in 655_7 $2 kobt
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> I would have expected lobt, but both LOC documents do show kobt.
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> Matt
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> On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 3:30 PM, Carpenter, Jane <
> jfcarpenter at library.ucla.edu> wrote:
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> Nina, LOB = Language of Bindings (Ligatus)
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> I believe it’s Jackie Shieh
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> You’re right—Feb 15th is President’s Day!  (I didn’t realize….)  We’ll
> reschedule the CV meeting
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> Thanks for pointing that out
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> Jane
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> *From:* dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] *On
> Behalf Of *Schneider, Nina
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 03, 2016 12:23 PM
> *To:* DCRM Users' Group <dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu>
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> *Subject:* Re: [DCRM-L] FW: [Marketing Mail] Re: ["EXLIBRIS-L"] Ligatus
> thesaurus [Was "Untrimmed Edges"]
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> Sorry, Matt, for being dense. What’s LOB?
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> Also, I went to an ALA reporting meeting at UCLA yesterday and one person
> reported on a meeting they attended (PCC at Large, I believe) in which
> expansion of fields beyond $0 (such as $0 for authorities, $w for works and
> $4 for bibliographic relationships) help with linking. I believe it’s a
> pilot of the URI Task Group (I think Jackie Shay – George Washington
> University -- gave the presentation at Midwinter).
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> Nina
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> *From:* dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu
> <dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu>] *On Behalf Of *Matthew C. Haugen
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 03, 2016 10:05 AM
> *To:* Deborah J. Leslie
> *Cc:* DCRM Users' Group
> *Subject:* Re: [DCRM-L] FW: [Marketing Mail] Re: ["EXLIBRIS-L"] Ligatus
> thesaurus [Was "Untrimmed Edges"]
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> I am considering submitting a request for a new MARC genre/form code and
> term source code for the LOB database to enable use of the terms in 655 as
> with rbbin. Would others find this desirable? Has a request already been
> made, perhaps?
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> Thanks,
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> Matt
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> On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Deborah J. Leslie <DJLeslie at folger.edu>
> wrote:
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> For those who don't studiously read ExLibris-L. This thesaurus has been a
> long time in preparation:
> http://www.arts.ac.uk/research/ual-research-centres/ligatus/
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> Deborah J. Leslie | Folger Shakespeare Library | djleslie at folger.edu |
> 202.675-0369 | 201 East Capitol St., SE, Washington, DC 20003 | www.
> folger.edu
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> *From:* Nicholas Pickwoad [mailto:npickwoad at paston.co.uk]
> *Sent:* Friday, 08 May 2015 10:19
> *To:* exlibris-l at list.indiana.edu
> *Subject:* [Marketing Mail] Re: ["EXLIBRIS-L"] Ligatus thesaurus [Was
> "Untrimmed Edges"]
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> Dear Leslie,
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> I have now at last got news. The thesaurus will be open to all in the week
> leading up to a conference we are putting on in London with CERL on 23 June
> (the poster is about to go out). The accompanying volume, *Coming to
> Terms: guidelines for the description of historical bindings* (120,000
> words and about 500 illustrations) is now with the designer and will be
> available later in the summer.
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> All the best
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> Nicholas
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> Professor Nicholas Pickwoad
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> Ligatus Research Centre
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> CCW Graduate School, University of the Arts London
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> 16 John Islip Street
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> London SW1P 4JU
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> e-mail: npickwoad at paston.co.uk
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> On 8 May 2015, at 15:12, "Deborah J. Leslie" <DJLeslie at FOLGER.edu> wrote:
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> Nicholas,
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> Any word on when the Ligatus thesaurus will be available for general use?
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> Deborah J. Leslie | Folger Shakespeare Library | djleslie at folger.edu |
> 202.675-0369 | 201 East Capitol St., SE, Washington, DC 20003 | www.
> folger.edu
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nicholas Pickwoad [mailto:npickwoad at paston.co.uk]
> Sent: Friday, 08 May 2015 03:59
> To: exlibris-l at list.indiana.edu
> Subject: [Marketing Mail] Re: ["EXLIBRIS-L"] "Untrimmed Edges"
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> Dear Andy Foster,
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> I wrote this last night but had not sent it off before I saw Terry's
> response. We are largely in agreement, except over the use of the word
> 'trimmed', as Anglophone binders, of whom I am one, use the word 'cut' for
> the substantial removal of the edges of the leaves across a whole
> bookblock, while 'trim' has a sense in English of a much lighter cut than
> is usually seen on most books. We will include 'trim' as an alternative
> term for 'cut', and the community at large will decide which it prefers.
> These differences in terminology between the practitioners and the users
> are not uncommon. For most binders, cutting is done in a 'cutting' or
> 'laying press'; there is no piece of equipment called a 'trimming press'.
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> My original message:
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> We have tried to sort this out for the Ligatus thesaurus as follows: As
> the treatment of the individual edges of any bookblock can be different,
> you always need to make clear whether you are describing all or only one or
> two of the edges. Deckle (not deckled) edges will, as you indicate, appear
> on the bookblock edges according to how the sheet of handmade paper is
> folded, and will, under normal circumstances, be present on all three outer
> edges only on folio format books, and on the fore- and tail edges of
> quartos, etc. The term 'rough edges' is a somewhat archaic form of 'deckle
> edges' (it was used in the eighteenth century), but all such edges are
> 'uncut edges'. The term 'rough cut' is rather different and means the same
> as  the term 'rough trimmed' as in rough trimmed edges' (defined in the
> Ligatus thesaurus as:  "Uneven edges in which leaves or groups of leaves
> were trimmed, often by hand with shears, either before the book was sewn or
> after to remove the oversized leaves which would otherwise have projected
> from the edge of the bookblock. A rough-trimmed edge is therefore very
> different from one that is 'cut solid' with a plough or draw knife (or,
> more recently, a guillotine). Edges of both sorts can be found on the same
> bookblock"). Although the terms  'cutting' and 'trimming' have been used to
> mean the same things (cutting solid with a plough, etc.), we are suggesting
> that only the term 'cutting' is used for this, and 'trimming' be reserved
> for 'rough trimming', in the hopes of keeping the two different processes
> distinct.
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> Bolts on the folded edges of leaves will be cut off by edge cutting (or
> indeed to some extent by rough trimming) and the textblock thus 'opened',
> but bolts can be 'opened' individually without cutting the edge of the
> bookblock, leaving any deckle edges intact.
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> Nicholas Pickwoad
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> On 7 May 2015, at 20:14, Milton & Hubble Books <andy at miltonandhubble.com>
> wrote:
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> Hello List:
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> I'm pondering the terms for describing edges in fine press books with hand
> made paper.
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> Should the term "Deckled Edges " or "Rough Edges"  be used only when such
> edges are present Head, Fore, and Tail - that is ALL EDGES?    What if such
> Rough Edges should remain on the sheet edge, but appear in the book
> together with trimmed edges - sometimes on the Head edge, sometimes on the
> Fore Edge, or sometimes on more than one edge, as folding would have it?
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> Should the term "Untrimmed Edges" be a safe catch-all phrase, encompassing
> all possibilities including unopened edges as well as these cases of
> scattered deckled edges?
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> Thank you for your kind assistance!
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> Andy Foster
> Milton and Hubble Books
> Pasadena, California
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> Matthew C. Haugen
> Rare Book Cataloger
> 102 Butler Library
> Columbia University Libraries
> E-mail: matthew.haugen at columbia.edu
> Phone: 212-851-2451
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> Matthew C. Haugen
> Rare Book Cataloger
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> Columbia University Libraries
> E-mail: matthew.haugen at columbia.edu
> Phone: 212-851-2451
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> Matthew C. Haugen
> Rare Book Cataloger
> 102 Butler Library
> Columbia University Libraries
> E-mail: matthew.haugen at columbia.edu
> Phone: 212-851-2451
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Matthew C. Haugen
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