[DCRM-L] Question about relator term #e depicted

Tue Oct 25 11:57:05 MDT 2016

By the way, these relationship designators can be used in authority records for works as well, so long as the relationship is to an entity that has been established in the NACO authority file (i.e., we can’t [yet] link to entities in LCSH or other thesauri in NACO authority records, though that’s been proposed).

010  no2016046378
040  WaU ǂb eng ǂe rda ǂc WaU
046  ǂk 1913 ǂ2 edtf
1001 Chagall, Marc, ǂd 1887-1985. ǂt Paris through the window
380  Painting ǂ2 lcsh
380  Oil paintings (visual works) ǂ2 aat
381  Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum ǂ2 naf
4001 Chagall, Marc, ǂd 1887-1985. ǂt Paris par la fenêtre
5001 ǂi Artist: ǂa Chagall, Marc, ǂd 1887-1985 ǂw r
551  ǂi Depicted: ǂa Paris (France) ǂw r

010  no2016096137
040  UPB ǂb eng ǂe rda ǂc UPB
046  ǂk 1958 ǂ2 edtf
130 0Fräulein (Motion picture)
380  Motion picture
380  Motion pictures ǂa Feature films ǂa Romance films ǂa War films ǂ2 lcgft
430 0Kvinde i Berlin (Motion picture)
430 0Muchacha de Berlín (Motion picture)
430 0Nainen Berliinissä (Motion picture)
430 0Agapi ston polemo (Motion picture)
5001 ǂi Film director: ǂa Koster, Henry, ǂd 1905-1988 ǂw r
5001 ǂi Screenwriter: ǂa Townsend, Leo, ǂd 1908-1987 ǂw r
5001 ǂi Motion picture adaptation of (work): ǂa McGovern, James, ǂd 1923-1989. ǂt Fräulein ǂw r
5001 ǂi Film producer: ǂa Reisch, Walter ǂw r
5102 ǂi Production company: ǂa Twentieth Century-Fox Film Corporation ǂw r
551  ǂi Setting: ǂa Berlin (Germany) ǂw r

010  no2016116451
040  UPB ǂb eng ǂe rda ǂc UPB
046  ǂk 1931 ǂ2 edtf
1001 Robertson, E. Arnot ǂq (Eileen Arnot), ǂd 1903-1961. ǂt Four frightened people
380  Novels ǂa Action and adventure fiction ǂ2 lcgft
551  ǂi Setting: ǂa Malaysia ǂw r

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If I recall correctly, both "depicted" and "setting" relators were developed with the intent to parse out these types of relationships from the subject or "about" relationship. Examples in the MARC21 bibliographic format documentation for various 6xx fields include examples of "depicted" with a range of entity types:

60010$aMonroe, Marilyn,$d1926-1962,$edepicted.
[Silkscreen of Marilyn Monroe]

60010$aClovio, Giulio,$d1498-1578,$edepicted.
[Portrait of the miniaturist Giulio Clovio]

61010$aUnited States.$bSupreme Court,$edepicted.
[Group photo of the justices of the Supreme Court.]

61010$aUnited States.$bArmy.$bCavalry, 7th.$bCompany E,$edepicted.
[Picture of a Cavalry troop.]

61120$aDerby (Horse race)$xHistory$y20th century$jdepicted.

63000$aDomesday book,$edepicted.
[Photo of the Domesday book.]

650#0$aSeabiscuit (Race horse),$edepicted.
[Photograph of Seabiscuit, the race horse.]

650#0$aUnicorns,$edepicted.
[Bayeux Tapestry, showing a unicorn.]

651#0$aNiagara Falls (N.Y. and Ont.),$edepicted.

651#0$aBonneville Salt Flats (Utah),$edepicted.

Matt

On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Lapka, Francis <francis.lapka at yale.edu<mailto:francis.lapka at yale.edu>> wrote:
Allison,

I suppose there’s nothing to stop an agency from using the term in a narrow sense, e.g. paired only with individual persons.

But taking it as defined, depicted can be used with any entity – which means just about anything goes. An entity can be a person, group of persons, and so much more (any thing, real or fictional). Note also the MARC relator term setting:

Setting [stg]  An entity in which the activity or plot of a work takes place, e.g. a geographic place, a time period, a building, an event

There, examples of entities include “geographic place, a time period, a building, an event.” It seems normal to me (and useful!) that depicted should also be paired with the same variety of entities.

Francis

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Hi All:

I just worked with Ellen Cordes at the Lewis Walpole Library for a few days recently in order to learn how to catalogue graphic materials using DCRMG.

I had a fantastic time and Ellen is a wonderful teacher.

I started to put it into practice when I got back to my library and have run across a question which Ellen suggested I pose to the list:

It involves the correct usage of the relator term #e depicted.

The definition of the relator term reads:

"Depicted [dpc] -- An entity depicted or portrayed in a work, particularly in a work of art"

Does the word "entity" have any weight here. Can I use the term with a group of persons (e.g. Jesuits or Quakers) or can it only apply to a single person, whether real of fictional?

Thanks for your advice and input.

Best,

Allison

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