[DCRM-L] 12mo vs. 16mo

[Gemberling, Ted P]

Richard,
It’s in Lyon in 1547. The printer is John Frellonius.

Do you think Gaskell is wrong to say 16mo wouldn’t be much larger than 9.5 cm? I notice we have one in our catalog that is as large as 13 cm, cut, that I cataloged as 16mo. It is also published at Lyon by Sebastian Gryphius.

Thanks, Ted

From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Noble, Richard
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Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] 12mo vs. 16mo

It would be unusual to see a 12mo entirely in 8s.  They're printed as 12s (whole sheets consisting of an 8-leaf with a 4-leaf offcut unit quired in), 8-and-4s (the same two units alternating, mostly French), or 6s (usually work-and-turn, each gathering consisting of  a 4- leaf and a 2-leaf unit). In 8s you'd end up with a complicated arrangement involving two sheets to make three gatherings, one of which would consist of a 4-leaf from one sheet quired into the 4-leaf from the other.

What is the time and place of your edition?

RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY
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On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Gemberling, Ted P <tgemberl at uab.edu<mailto:tgemberl at uab.edu>> wrote:
I often use Gaskell (Oak Knoll Press, 1995) pages 85-86 as my “cheat sheet” for determining format. I have noticed, though, that there’s little difference between the description of regular 12mo and 16mo. They can both have gatherings of 8 and have horizontal chainlines. I am working on a book right now that has been cataloged on one record as 16mo. It has gatherings of 8, horizontal chainlines, and no watermarks. However, the paper, cut, is 11.5 cm. Gaskell says a 12mo has to be at least 12.5 uncut, and I figure this could’ve been that big before cutting.

At the bottom of page 85 he says that the smaller formats, including 16mo, “are seldom much more than the minimum uncut heights given in this key.” For 16mo, that is 9.5 centimeters. So I’ve been guessing 12mo is more correct for this book. Is there any other way to tell them apart?

I’m guessing from what Gaskell says that 16mo would often be less than 9.5 centimeters.

Thanks for any enlightenment,

Ted P. Gemberling
Historical Collections Cataloger
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