[DCRM-L] DCRM-L Digest, Vol 153, Issue 3

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[Bibliothèque et Archives nationales du Québec]

According to Universalis, "Lithogravure" is an engraving process using acid on a lithographic stone.
("Opération de gravure effectuée avec un acide sur la pierre lithographique")

Cheers :)

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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 20:10:12 +0000
From: Jean Mongeau <philippe.mongeau at mail.utoronto.ca>
To: "DCRM Users' Group" <dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu>
Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] litho-engraving?
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Hi,

I found this article with more information about the process as well: https://books.google.com/books?id=zzkyAQAAMAAJ&pg=RA8-PA29&lpg=RA8-PA29&dq=%22litho-engraving%22+definition&source=bl&ots=_ULMgqjyL8&sig=7JFBowOqraydpDhpE1gDKqp04XQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjK7uGE1tneAhUO7lMKHdxRBrEQ6AEwA3oECAQQAQ#v=onepage&q=%22litho-engraving%22%20definition&f=false

Hope it helps (or that it is at least interesting).

Philippe
From: DCRM-L [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Noble, Richard
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 3:06 PM
To: DCRM Revision Group List <dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu>
Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] litho-engraving?

Also have a look at Gascoigne 19f, "Stone engraving", and 20c, "Transfer from intaglio", either of which could be called "lith-engraving".

RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY
BROWN UNIVERSITY  ::  PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912  ::  401-863-1187
<Richard_Noble at Br<mailto:RICHARD_NOBLE at BROWN.EDU>own.edu<http://own.edu>>

On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 3:00 PM Ryan Hildebrand <rhilde at uoregon.edu<mailto:rhilde at uoregon.edu>> wrote:
Hi Francis,

See Felix Brunner?s Handbook of Graphic Reproduction Processes for a discussion of the technique (litho etching, too). Here is the essential bit: ?the litho engraving lies halfway between planographic and intaglio printing. It is an imitation of copperplate engraving and etching and was developed during that phase of printing history when the lithographic technique permitted quicker and cheaper production than intaglio machines ... The engraving is done with sharp steel needles or with a drawing diamond?? ?Ryan

Ryan Hildebrand
Authorities & Special Collections Cataloging Librarian
University of Oregon Libraries
1299 University of Oregon
Eugene OR 97403-1299
(541) 346-1844

From: DCRM-L <dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu<mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu>> On Behalf Of Lapka, Francis
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 11:41 AM
To: 'dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu<mailto:dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu>' <dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu<mailto:dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu>>
Subject: [DCRM-L] litho-engraving?

I have in hand an amusing set of cards that parody carte de visite photographs, perhaps made during the 1860s (given the subject matter). The V&A has some too, including this charming puss:

http://collections.vam.ac.uk/item/O589018/not-the-only-puss-that-satirical-print-rock-co/

For materials and techniques, the V&A calls this a ?litho-engraving,? a term I haven?t encountered before, and one I don?t see in standard sources such as Gascoigne. What does it mean? Is it intended to mean a lithographic reproduction of an intaglio print? To my eye the lines look plausibly etched (under a loop), but I recognize that this look could be mimicked.

Francis

Francis Lapka  ?  Senior Catalogue Librarian
Department of Rare Books and Manuscripts
Yale Center for British Art
203.432.9672  ?  francis.lapka at yale.edu<mailto:francis.lapka at yale.edu>

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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 20:29:48 +0000
From: "Lapka, Francis" <francis.lapka at yale.edu>
To: "DCRM Users' Group" <dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu>
Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] litho-engraving?
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Thank you Ryan, Richard, Philippe! This is all helpful.

I see now that AAT has ?lithographic engraving (printing process)? and ?lithographic engravings (prints)?.

Francis

From: DCRM-L [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Jean Mongeau
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 3:10 PM
To: DCRM Users' Group <dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu>
Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] litho-engraving?

Hi,

I found this article with more information about the process as well: https://books.google.com/books?id=zzkyAQAAMAAJ&pg=RA8-PA29&lpg=RA8-PA29&dq=%22litho-engraving%22+definition&source=bl&ots=_ULMgqjyL8&sig=7JFBowOqraydpDhpE1gDKqp04XQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjK7uGE1tneAhUO7lMKHdxRBrEQ6AEwA3oECAQQAQ#v=onepage&q=%22litho-engraving%22%20definition&f=false<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.com%2Fbooks%3Fid%3DzzkyAQAAMAAJ%26pg%3DRA8-PA29%26lpg%3DRA8-PA29%26dq%3D%2522litho-engraving%2522%2Bdefinition%26source%3Dbl%26ots%3D_ULMgqjyL8%26sig%3D7JFBowOqraydpDhpE1gDKqp04XQ%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26ved%3D2ahUKEwjK7uGE1tneAhUO7lMKHdxRBrEQ6AEwA3oECAQQAQ%23v%3Donepage%26q%3D%2522litho-engraving%2522%2520definition%26f%3Dfalse&data=02%7C01%7Cfrancis.lapka%40yale.edu%7Cbb3e29c5c938420ab87808d64bff8e70%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C636779958328577163&sdata=IiplnUWpBbYyzLDhiXo3uPeD%2FauqT5r9WqnHbglLHgw%3D&reserved=0>

Hope it helps (or that it is at least interesting).

Philippe
From: DCRM-L [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Noble, Richard
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 3:06 PM
To: DCRM Revision Group List <dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu<mailto:dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu>>
Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] litho-engraving?

Also have a look at Gascoigne 19f, "Stone engraving", and 20c, "Transfer from intaglio", either of which could be called "lith-engraving".

RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY
BROWN UNIVERSITY  ::  PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912  ::  401-863-1187
<Richard_Noble at Br<mailto:RICHARD_NOBLE at BROWN.EDU>own.edu<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fown.edu&data=02%7C01%7Cfrancis.lapka%40yale.edu%7Cbb3e29c5c938420ab87808d64bff8e70%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C636779958328587172&sdata=Z2i%2B4nS2t9li19YwtZpoxO40lNerA037h9XEuI9Sjv8%3D&reserved=0>>

On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 3:00 PM Ryan Hildebrand <rhilde at uoregon.edu<mailto:rhilde at uoregon.edu>> wrote:
Hi Francis,

See Felix Brunner?s Handbook of Graphic Reproduction Processes for a discussion of the technique (litho etching, too). Here is the essential bit: ?the litho engraving lies halfway between planographic and intaglio printing. It is an imitation of copperplate engraving and etching and was developed during that phase of printing history when the lithographic technique permitted quicker and cheaper production than intaglio machines ... The engraving is done with sharp steel needles or with a drawing diamond?? ?Ryan

Ryan Hildebrand
Authorities & Special Collections Cataloging Librarian
University of Oregon Libraries
1299 University of Oregon
Eugene OR 97403-1299
(541) 346-1844

From: DCRM-L <dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu<mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu>> On Behalf Of Lapka, Francis
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 11:41 AM
To: 'dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu<mailto:dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu>' <dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu<mailto:dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu>>
Subject: [DCRM-L] litho-engraving?

I have in hand an amusing set of cards that parody carte de visite photographs, perhaps made during the 1860s (given the subject matter). The V&A has some too, including this charming puss:

http://collections.vam.ac.uk/item/O589018/not-the-only-puss-that-satirical-print-rock-co/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcollections.vam.ac.uk%2Fitem%2FO589018%2Fnot-the-only-puss-that-satirical-print-rock-co%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cfrancis.lapka%40yale.edu%7Cbb3e29c5c938420ab87808d64bff8e70%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C636779958328587172&sdata=rTd5N42dAoBme5tZdsPd2PKpG4Jhe%2FMQ%2Borg%2Fxob0D8%3D&reserved=0>

For materials and techniques, the V&A calls this a ?litho-engraving,? a term I haven?t encountered before, and one I don?t see in standard sources such as Gascoigne. What does it mean? Is it intended to mean a lithographic reproduction of an intaglio print? To my eye the lines look plausibly etched (under a loop), but I recognize that this look could be mimicked.

Francis

Francis Lapka  ?  Senior Catalogue Librarian
Department of Rare Books and Manuscripts
Yale Center for British Art
203.432.9672  ?  francis.lapka at yale.edu<mailto:francis.lapka at yale.edu>

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