[DCRM-L] Fw: RE: COL. to color, 1-3236267214: Early Printed Books
Cawelti, Andrea
cawelti at fas.harvard.edu
Tue Oct 16 09:03:49 MDT 2018
Please see be!ow for an update from OCLC about the color/column disaster. I continue to find errofs, as I'm sure do the rest of you: any thoughts on a sensible way forward for our community? While the message sounds reassuring, the fact that this has been going on since 2017 concerns me. Should we report these as errors, or just continue to correct them?
Andrea
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From: OCLC Customer Support <support at oclc.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 10:50:47 AM
To: Cawelti, Andrea
Subject: RE: RE: 1-3236267214: Early Printed Books
Hi Andrea,
Our Quality Control staff followed up on your question regarding the status of your request. They sent the following message:
This effort had been a long list of various corrections needed in the database, but we have made progress recently after having identified the most common patterns where the abbreviation “col.” resulted in a change to “color” which needed to be changed to “columns” instead. I believe we have corrected most cases where “color” should be “columns” for pre-1800 publications cataloged in English. But, still need to work on post-1799 publications.
We found that resolving the large number of straightforward cases where “color” is found in 300 $a, but really belongs in 300 $b helps to identify remaining instances where “color” should become “columns”, so we are working on both issues simultaneously. I expect that we will have completed the automated part of the correction and manual follow-up for English language cataloging in the next few weeks, then we will turn our attention to cases in languages other than English where the same issue exists, but where we will return “color” back to “col.”
Please let me know if you have any additional questions.
Thank you,
Rachel Rynski
OCLC • Consulting Support Analyst, Management and Customer Operations
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Subject: [External] RE: 1-3236267214: Early Printed Books
Thanks Rachel. We'd all like to know as this is a serious problem in our world.
andrea
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To: Cawelti, Andrea <cawelti at fas.harvard.edu>
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Hi Andrea,
I am checking with the Quality Control team to see if there is any update on this issue. Either I someone from the Quality Control team will follow-up again once we have additional information.
Thank you,
Rachel Rynski
OCLC • Consulting Support Analyst, Management and Customer Operations
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Subject: [External] 1-3236267214: Early Printed Books
HI Gordon, I submitted a report to OCLC on this in April (see below) and on checking in was assured that they were on it. But I haven't seen any evidence of this either; am copying to their support line in case they might have an update for all of us.
Andrea
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Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 5:48 PM
To: Cawelti, Andrea <cawelti at fas.harvard.edu>
Subject: 1-3236267214: Early Printed Books
Good Afternoon,
Thank you for contacting OCLC Support.
I have forwarded your message to OCLC Quality Control (QC) for review. They will place your request into their workflow and may contact you if they have questions.
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Subject: 1-3236267214: [External] FW: early printed books : yikes
Hello, I'm writing to you at the recommendation of Merrilee Proffitt. Rare materials catalogers have identified a problematic situation which appears to have resulted from a batch operation; apologies for not writing directly in January when this was first discovered, but Jackie Dooley has been an active member of our DCRM listserv, and we didn't realize that she had already retired. If you page down to the bottom of this admittedly long thread, you will see that the abbreviation "col." has been expanded across the board to "color". Unfortunately, special collections catalogers frequently use this abbreviation for "column" particularly in the 300 $a. This morning, I ran a command search in Connexion:
p3:color and li:hhg/1200-1830
just to see what our current Houghton situation is, and in fact, quite a few problems have been caused. I've copied to the DCRM list, in case others may have run more systematic tests: Is there any way to reverse this batch process, particularly for the 300 $a? I see that some of the records retain their "col." in 500 notes where the context might be misleading, so the batch appears to have been quite sophisticated. Perhaps one more tweak? I copy the short sample record #612621906 below (with the incorrectly expanded "color" highlighted in blue) for your reference. In the current environment where IRs are no longer retained, you can understand where this change could be somewhat catastrophic for earlier materials, particularly incunables.
Thank you, andrea
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1. Re: FW: early printed books : yikes (E. Gordon Van Pielt)
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From: "E. Gordon Van Pielt" <gvanpielt at law.gwu.edu>
To: "DCRM Users' Group" <dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu>
Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] FW: early printed books : yikes
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Apologies to the list. The specific issue I am referring to is the expansion of col. (for columns) to color.
Previous message:
This issue still has not been completely resolved.
As an example, records for the 1608 edition of "V.C. Bertrandi d'Argentre?
Redonensis provinciae praesidis, Commentarii in patrias britonum leges ..."
have not been corrected.
See:
OCLC #897942496 (eng)
#716754339 (fre)
#53579089 (fre)
#875160702 (ita)
I started to submit error reports. Is something on a larger scale warranted?
Gordon
E. Gordon Van Pielt
Law Librarian
Jacob Burns Law Library
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Washington, D.C. 20052
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On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:32 AM, Deborah J. Leslie <DJLeslie at folger.edu>
wrote:
> Let me add my thanks for bringing this up. In my fantasy world,
> significant algorithms OCLC uses to "update" descriptive cataloging
> data would be shared in advance with important stakeholders, to help
> prevent mistakes like this one. At least they can be fixed after the fact.
>
>
>
> Deborah J. Leslie | Folger Shakespeare Library | djleslie at folger.edu |
>
>
>
> *From:* DCRM-L [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] *On Behalf Of
> *Matthew C. Haugen
> *Sent:* Friday, 23 February, 2018 10:21
> *To:* DCRM Users' Group
> *Subject:* Re: [DCRM-L] FW: early printed books : yikes
>
>
>
> Thanks for sharing this! It reminds me of a similar phenomenon I
> noticed a couple years ago and reported to OCLC Quality Control.
>
>
>
> It appears OCLC went about converting Latin abbrevations [s.l.],
> [s.n.], and [n.d.] to the RDA phrases such as "place of publication
> not identified," but in some cases, other initialisms in place or
> publisher names containing S. L., S. N., or N. D also got swept up in the change:
>
>
> #71309469
> Lemberg : ?b Druck des S. L. Flecker, ?c 1862.
>
> Lemberg : ?b Druck des Place of publication not identified Flecker, ?c
> 1862.
>
> #874816261
> New York ; ?a Oxford : ?b Oxford University Press for the U.N.D.P, ?c
> 1992.
>
> New York ; ?a Oxford : ?b Oxford University Press for the U.date of
> publication not identifiedP, ?c 1992.
>
> #874495167
> Karnal : ?b N.D.R.I., ?c 1972.
> Karnal : ?b Date of publication not identifiedR.I., ?c 1972.
>
>
>
> #2252304
>
> Bismarck, N.D. : ?b Dept. of Agriculture.
>
> Bismarck, date of publication not identified : ?b Dept. of Agriculture.
>
>
>
> It appears OCLC QC has taken action to fix these and other instances
> not long after I reported them, and I don't know how widespread the
> problem was to begin with. But keep an eye out in case any have
> slipped through OCLC's algorithms or into your local institutions' catalogs.
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 3:32 PM, Andrews, Susan <susan.andrews at ubc.ca>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Deborah J. Leslie [mailto:DJLeslie at FOLGER.edu]
> *Sent:* February-05-18 7:14 AM
> Dear
>
>
>
> *Subject:* FW: early printed books : yikes
>
>
>
> Dear Rare Book people,
>
> First of all my apologies for the delay in passing this on to you. I
> was away on vacation, then got inundated with urgent cataloguing
> issues to deal with when I got back.
>
>
>
> I started to think this e-mail thread was too stale to pass on, but
> you can always delete something you already know all about!
>
> Many if you will be on the OCLC-CAT listserv, so this will be old news.
>
> For others, you might want to read the following, and to check samples
> of your records in OCLC to see if they got affected.
>
>
>
> Best wishes, Sue.
>
>
>
>
>
> *********************************************
>
> *Sue Andrews*
>
> *Principal Cataloguer*
>
> *University of British Columbia Library*
>
> *2198 Health Sciences Mall, Vancouver BC V6T 1Z3
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=2198+Health+Sciences+Mall,+Vancouver+BC+V6
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> *Tel. 604-822-4995 <(604)%20822-4995> Email: susan.andrews at ubc.ca
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>
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>
>
>
> *From:* OCLC-Cataloging [mailto:OCLC-CAT at OCLCLISTS.ORG
> <OCLC-CAT at OCLCLISTS.ORG>] *On Behalf Of *Bremer,Robert
> *Sent:* January-30-18 1:58 PM
> *To:* OCLC-CAT at OCLCLISTS.ORG
> *Subject:* Re: [OCLC-CAT] early printed books : yikes
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> Thank you for letting us know about this issue. We will work on
> getting the needed adjustments made to all the affected bibliographic records.
>
>
>
> Robert Bremer
>
> Senior Consulting Database Specialist
>
> OCLC Metadata Quality
>
>
>
> *From:* OCLC-Cataloging [mailto:OCLC-CAT at OCLCLISTS.ORG
> <OCLC-CAT at OCLCLISTS.ORG>] *On Behalf Of *Andrews, Susan
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 30, 2018 3:30 PM
> *To:* OCLC-CAT <OCLC-CAT at oclclists.org>
> *Subject:* [OCLC-CAT] early printed books : yikes
>
>
>
> Hi folks,
>
> First of all: sorry if this has been mentioned on this List already!!
>
> I just wanted to alert you (and hopefully some programmer for OCLC!)
> to a problem I discovered yesterday when cataloguing an early printed book.
>
> I always get excited when I have a book with numbered columns (instead
> of pages or leaves) because I get to apply that lovely collation rule
> that talks about the extent of text in terms of columns.
>
> At first when I searched OCLC to find matching copy I was confused by
> 300 fields that looked like there were illustrated versions of my book!
>
> Then I realized that some program had *unhelpfully* expanded ?col.?
> (for
> column) to ?color?. Now to be fair, this might have been the fault
> of a contributing library, but I did a quick search and found that it
> is now quite rampant in the database! It is hard for me to imagine
> that so many libraries modified their local rare book records so dramatically.
>
> Here are some suspicious records to look at:
>
> 82679282 (Berkeley please check your copy)
>
> 367569195 (Brigham Young please check your copy)
>
> 702171855 (Yale please check your copy)
>
> The holding/contributing libraries are very wide-ranging including
> both national libraries, and other major research libraries.
>
>
>
> I hope someone at OCLC has some way to reverse this damage! Specifically
> in 300 ?a?, of course.
>
>
>
> Sue.
>
>
>
> *********************************************
>
> *Sue Andrews*
>
> *Principal Cataloguer*
>
> *University of British Columbia Library*
>
> *2198 Health Sciences Mall, Vancouver BC V6T 1Z3
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=2198+Health+Sciences+Mall,+Vancouver+BC+V6
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>
> *Tel. 604-822-4995 <(604)%20822-4995> Email: susan.andrews at ubc.ca
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