[DCRM-L] Final chance for feedback on the ARLS/NA proposal to add the elements ”curator agent of work” and “curator agent of work of” to RDA

Tue Jul 30 10:34:56 MDT 2019

Please feel free to comment directly on this Google Doc version<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jZzfkaJv1daceAj-77e6Og4Pstmp6jKBJHoLzM30GuU/edit?usp=sharing> by the end of today. I will send out a summary to this list by 9am (EDT) tomorrow in order to give everyone an opportunity to correct me, should you feel that I’ve misrepresented what you said.

Please feel free to email me directly if you prefer.

Best,
Honor

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I checked with the chair of the ARLIS/NA Cataloging Advisory Committee, who agreed with Bob Maxwell that the proposal is now in the hands of CC:DDA. Amanda Ros posted yesterday morning on the rules list-serv inviting comments; as Bob said, comments from the RBMS community should come from the RBMS Liaison. We look forward to the CC:DA's decision.

Liz O'Keefe
Member, ARLIS/NA Cataloging Advisory Committee

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   1. Re: Examples of "Curator" in agent to item relationship?
      (Robert Maxwell)

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 18:21:29 +0000
From: Robert Maxwell <robert_maxwell at byu.edu<mailto:robert_maxwell at byu.edu>>
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My name is on the proposal as chair of one of the contributing subcommittees, and I did contribute personally but it's left the subcommittees and right now it's with CC:DA and ARLIS/NA, so probably it would be best (at least from the CC:DA perspective) for comments such as these to be posted on the CC:DA list by the RBMS liaison to CC:DA. I'm not sure how ARLIS/NA is taking comments.

Thanks,
Bob

Robert L. Maxwell
Ancient Languages and Special Collections Librarian
6728 Harold B. Lee Library
Brigham Young University
Provo, UT 84602
(801)422-5568

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Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] Examples of "Curator" in agent to item relationship?

Bob, I appreciation your clarifications.

I welcome the idea of curator relationship to works, but I wonder if it would be better for RDA to simplify the curator relationships by acknowledging the two strongest use cases for resource description:

  1.  A curator responsible for deciding that an item should be acquired for a collection, as noted by Erin below. Obviously this is an Item relationship.
  2.  An exhibition curator, who creates an exhibition work (or event), with a definition as described in your proposal. This a Work relationship.

I think the curator relationship at the Item level should omit mention of exhibitions. Items in an exhibition can and should be related to an agent through the Work, i.e.: an exhibition curator creates an exhibition Work which in turn includes an Item.

Francis

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Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] Examples of "Curator" in agent to item relationship?

Clarifying my last sentence: the word "item" in this case means the collection as a whole, not an individual "item" in the collection. In the FRBR/LRM/RDA framework a collection exists at all the WEMI levels so it is appropriate to think of the collection as a whole as an "item", even though there is only one item (the collection), one manifestation (the same collection), one expression (the same collection), and one work (the same collection).

Bob

Robert L. Maxwell
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Brigham Young University
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"We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine ourselves to the course which has been heretofore pursued"--Eliza R. Snow, 1842.
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Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] Examples of "Curator" in agent to item relationship?

I was going to note the proposal. The revision proposal is for the creation of a new relationship element at the work level to allow a relationship between (for example) a person who is curator of an exhibition and a work produced by that exhibition (e.g. an exhibition catalog). (The current RDA relationship element is at the item level and so would not be appropriate to use to link an exhibition curator with the exhibition catalog.)

As to the specific question, I don't have a record to point you to, but I would think that if a catalog record were created for a collection--e.g. at BYU we have science fiction writer Orson Scott Card's papers and there is a record in the catalog for that collection--the curator of the collection could appropriately be included in the record with the relationship "curator" and this would be at the item level.

Bob

Robert L. Maxwell
Ancient Languages and Special Collections Cataloger
6728 Harold B. Lee Library
Brigham Young University
Provo, UT 84602
(801)422-5568

"We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine ourselves to the course which has been heretofore pursued"--Eliza R. Snow, 1842.
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Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] Examples of "Curator" in agent to item relationship?

Of related interest is an RDA revision proposal drafted by ARLIS/NA and the CC:DA 3R Task Force. See attachment.

Francis

Francis Lapka
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Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] Examples of "Curator" in agent to item relationship?

I guess "curator" could be an item-specific relationship if you go far enough down the rabbit hole: we have a field in our Acquisitions module where we record the curator responsible for deciding a collection item should be acquired (an issue because it's often mistaken for the curator whose budget it came from, but it's the intellectual contribution we're documenting; the financial contribution is recorded elsewhere). That field could, in theory, be part of the MARC record in the OPAC.

Erin.

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On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 12:23 PM Liz OKeefe <lokeefe411 at gmail.com<mailto:lokeefe411 at gmail.com><mailto:lokeefe411 at gmail.com<mailto:lokeefe411 at gmail.com>>> wrote:
During a recent conversation with colleagues from the ARLIS/NA Cataloging Advisory Committee, someone asked for examples of bibliographic records in which "curator" was used in an agent to item relationship. No one was able to come up offhand with examples, and it's difficult, if not impossible, to search OPACs for records where "curator" is used in this way. Could someone on DCRM-L help us out? Thanks.

Liz O'Keefe
Member, ARLIS/NA Cataloging Advisory Committee

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