[DCRM-L] Leader 008: Gov't Pub. (Melissa Harris)
Melissa Harris
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Tue Aug 11 10:02:59 MDT 2020
Deborah, yes, and perhaps I am overthinking this, but we are migrating our
collection from a card catalog to an ILS for the first time, so I am
overthinking and second-guessing everything.
Felicia, Thank you, your comment was insightful and useful.
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> Do you mean the sort of thing represented by OCLC #877626535?
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> Thank you. I didn't mean to oversimplify, but I am in the midst of
> cataloging several large volume collections and they seem to all be
> generated, or at least produced, as a function of the government. Such as
> Descriptions Des Arts Metiers and Description de L'Egypte. I was just not
> sure if I should consider these types of records "government publications"
> or not.
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> 1. Re: Help with problem subject heading (Bob Kosovsky)
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> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 17:42:07 -0400
> From: Bob Kosovsky <bobkosovsky at nypl.org<mailto:bobkosovsky at nypl.org>>
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> > I really like the idea of using ?Noble savage stereotype? and ?Noble
> savage stereotype in literature,?
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> By adopting those terms as subject headings I feel that one is perpetuating
> the stereotype.
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> If there is someone on this list who has Native American or First Nations
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> Avec approbation & privilege du roi would indicate that the
> printer/publisher had the right to print/publish a particular book and that
> said book had cleared the censors, not that the book in question was
> published by or for the government. If memory serves the *Oxford Companion
> to the Book* has entries on privileges and censorship.
>
> Not all art in the Middle Ages was church sponsored (some of it was even
> produced by and for non-Christians).
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> Regards,
> Jessie
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> On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 at 12:34, Melissa Harris <melissa at osgf.org<mailto:
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> > Hi,
> > I am wondering what the consensus is on labeling bibliographic records as
> > a government publication when they are published: "Avec Approbation &
> > Privilege du Roi," and when they are created by royal academies, or by
> > request of the royal leadership or government? It would seem that nearly
> > everything would be deemed a government publication during certain
> epochs,
> > sort of like all art being church-sponsored during the Middle Ages.
> > Thank you for your intelligence on this.
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> Ditto. A very blunt rule of thumb off the top of my head is that if it
> doesn't have government main entry, it's probably not a government
> publication. As Jessie says, privileges and imprimaturs mean something else.
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> Avec approbation & privilege du roi would indicate that the
> printer/publisher had the right to print/publish a particular book and that
> said book had cleared the censors, not that the book in question was
> published by or for the government. If memory serves the Oxford Companion
> to the Book has entries on privileges and censorship.
>
> Not all art in the Middle Ages was church sponsored (some of it was even
> produced by and for non-Christians).
>
> Regards,
> Jessie
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> On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 at 12:34, Melissa Harris <melissa at osgf.org<mailto:
> melissa at osgf.org><mailto:melissa at osgf.org<mailto:melissa at osgf.org>>>
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> Hi,
> I am wondering what the consensus is on labeling bibliographic records as
> a government publication when they are published: "Avec Approbation &
> Privilege du Roi," and when they are created by royal academies, or by
> request of the royal leadership or government? It would seem that nearly
> everything would be deemed a government publication during certain epochs,
> sort of like all art being church-sponsored during the Middle Ages.
> Thank you for your intelligence on this.
>
> --
> Melissa J. Harris, MLIS, MA
> Library Database and Catalogue Specialist
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