[DCRM-L] Question about rule 1B4 and Latin title

[Jennifer MacDonald]

Hi Angela,

Sorry for asking about the running title, somehow I missed that you were
referring to the top of the title pages, so I see my question was
irrelevant!

Otherwise, I ask because it seems to me that the title proper is "Primum
-[tertium] vol. Felini Sandei Ferrariensis: juriscon. facile principis"
because I usually take the first nominative on a Latin title page to be the
title proper.  The grammatically inseparable part is the genitive
immediately following vol."; the relative positions of the genitive and the
nominative are grammatically meaningless, so the same rule applies no
matter where the genitive appears in the phrase. Titles comprising only the
name of an author are not unheard of (see 1B3.3), so seeing moving from
"Author" in nominative to "Volume of author" with "Volume" as the
nominative and "Author" in genitive seems reasonable. I'm not sure that
DCRMB 1B6 (Title proper with supplementary or section designation or title)
applies here, since the author's name is such a prominent part of the
phrase, although others may disagree.

Thanks,

Jennifer

On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 12:03 PM Jones, Angela <arjones at mail.smu.edu> wrote:

> Hi Jennifer,
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> I am asking if the volume designations (*Primum [-tertium] vol*.) need to
> be included as part of the title proper. The running titles aren’t any help
> – they only have the title of the section.
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> Angela
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> *From:* DCRM-L <dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu> *On Behalf Of *Jennifer
> MacDonald
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 6, 2022 9:53 AM
> *To:* DCRM Users' Group <dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [DCRM-L] Question about rule 1B4 and Latin title
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> *[EXTERNAL SENDER]*
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> Angela, are these the words you are asking about, or the words directly
> following "vol."? How do the running titles read?
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> Thanks,
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> Jennifer
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> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 10:26 AM Jones, Angela <arjones at mail.smu.edu>
> wrote:
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> Thank you so much! That is very helpful.  I will definitely add the
> suggested title added entries.
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> Thank you again,
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> Angela
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> *From:* DCRM-L <dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu> *On Behalf Of *Goojer, F.H.
> de (Frits)
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 6, 2022 9:06 AM
> *To:* 'DCRM Users' Group' <dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [DCRM-L] Question about rule 1B4 and Latin title
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> *[EXTERNAL SENDER]*
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> Dear Mrs. Jones,
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> Happy New Year to you as well!
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> In my opinion this is not a “grammatically inseparable designation”. If
> so, I would expect: Primum vol. Felini Sandei Ferrariensis: juriscon.
> facile principis: in quinque libros Decretalium commentariorum eruditissim
> orum: jam tandem maximis sudoribus vigiliisque emunctissime excusorum:
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> So a genitive case and not a nominative case.
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> However it might be recommended to add a variant title beginning with:
> Vol. primum-[tertium] and an other starting with: In quinque libros
> Decretalium commentaria eruditissima …
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> Kind regards,
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> Frits de Goojer, University Library Utrecht, Netherlands, EU
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> Drs F.H. de Goojer | Informatie-/collectiespecialist: catalogiseerder
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> *From:* DCRM-L <dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu> *On Behalf Of *Jones, Angela
> *Sent:* donderdag 6 januari 2022 15:37
> *To:* DCRM Users' Group <dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu>
> *Subject:* [DCRM-L] Question about rule 1B4 and Latin title
>
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> Hello, and Happy New Year!
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> I am cataloging a multi-volume book in Latin, with the volume numbering
> immediately preceding the title. The title page for the first volume reads: *Primum
> vol. Felini Sandei …*, and each title page in the set starts with the
> volume designation at the top of the page, in similar fashion. A picture of
> the volume 1 title page is attached.
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> My question is in regards to rule 1B4, and is mostly related to my skimpy
> knowledge of Latin. Would this be considered a “grammatically inseparable
> designation”, as defined by that rule? I know that would be the case if the
> volume designation appeared at the end of the title, or somewhere within
> the title, and have seen many examples of those situations. But this is the
> first time I have run into a volume designation at the head of the title.
> And, since I have rather limited knowledge of the grammar structure of
> Latin, I thought I would ask the list.
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> I did find the title in the USTC catalogue, and it does include the volume
> designators as part of the title. See
> https://www.ustc.ac.uk/editions/854472.
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> Thank you in advance for any help!
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> Angela
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> Angela Jones
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> Head of Technical Services
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> Underwood Law Library, Dedman School of Law
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> Southern Methodist University
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> P.O. Box 750354
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> Dallas, TX 75275-0354
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> arjones at smu.edu
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> *Jennifer MacDonald *MA, PhD, MSLIS (she/her/hers)
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> *Associate Librarian and Coordinator, Special Collections Cataloging Unit*
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> Cataloging and Metadata Department
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> University of Delaware
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> (302) 831-1512
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Jennifer MacDonald MA, PhD, MSLIS (she/her/hers)

Associate Librarian and Coordinator, Special Collections Cataloging Unit

Cataloging and Metadata Department

University of Delaware
(302) 831-1512
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