[DCRM-L] Question about inserted signature

[Noah Sheola]

Hi Angela,
>From what you describe I believe the statement would be  A-M6 N6(N2+*4).
And as John said, the format is more likely 12mo.

On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 10:22 AM JOHN LANCASTER <jjlancaster at me.com> wrote:

> Just saw this thread - nothing to add about the collation, but surely the
> format can't be 16mo.  Gathering in sixes suggests either 12mo or, less
> likely in view of the image, 18mo.  The inserted gathering could of course
> be of a different format, perhaps 8vo? - it seems noticeably shorter than
> the surrounding leaves.  Chain line and watermark evidence could be
> dispositive.
>
> John Lancaster
>
>
> On 2022 Sep 16, at 10:06 AM, Jones, Angela <arjones at mail.smu.edu> wrote:
>
> Hi Noah,
>
> Thank you very much for the reply. After I re-read my original email and
> then read your response, I realized that perhaps I wasn’t as clear as I
> should have been about the gathering that contained the inserted leaves.
> Here’s the sequence:
>
> Leaves N1-N2 (corresponds to pages 145-148)
> Cancellation mark
> Inserted gathering of four (unsigned?) (pages 148 bis. to 149 *octies*. I
> suspect that 149 *octies*. Is a misprint and should be 148 *octies*,
> since the page before is 148 *septies*.)
> Leaves N3-N6
>
> However, as I keep looking at the gathering, I wonder if this situation
> might be more closely related to an inserted folded leaf, and perhaps what
> I am seeing isn’t really a cancellation? I’ve attached a picture that I
> took and captured the situation as best as I could.
>
> Also, I did notice that the first leaf of the inserted gathering has a
> star at the bottom. I confess that I didn’t really notice it initially.
> Then I looked at each of the four leaves  and there is a similar single
> star on the third leaf; the second and fourth leaves are unsigned.
>
> Thank you again,
> Angela
>
>
>
>
> *From:* DCRM-L <dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu> *On Behalf Of *Noah Sheola
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2022 12:12 PM
> *To:* DCRM Users' Group <dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [DCRM-L] Question about inserted signature
>
>
> *[EXTERNAL SENDER]*
>
> Hi Angela,
>
> From what you’re describing, I think the statement would be A-M6 N6(N2+chi
> 4). This however does not take into account the cancel. Which leaf do you
> believe is canceled? And are you saying this leaf was just removed, or
> removed and replaced?
>
> - Noah
>
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 4:35 PM Jones, Angela <arjones at mail.smu.edu>
> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> We’ve run into an interesting situation with a French book printed in
> 1782. The book is composed of various tables related to tariffs. The book
> is a 16mo and the signatures have gatherings of 6 leaves with the
> gatherings signed A-N.
>
> The N gathering is the last one in the book and it is also in 6 leaves.
> However, between leaf N2 and N3 (pages 148-149) another gathering is
> inserted. This is a gathering of 4 leaves, completely unsigned. The
> pagination continues through this section in a modified fashion, with pages
> in the inserted gathering being numbered 148 bis., 148 ter., 148 quatr.,
> etc. There is also a cancellation at the point of the inserted signature.
>
> What would be the proper way to designate this in a signature statement?
> I’ve looked in Gaskell and on page 330 I see a reference to interpolations
> made inside gatherings, but to be honest I am not sure how to interpret the
> example that is given.
>
> So I wonder if our best options are one of these two statements:
>
> A-N6 *(with a note about the inserted signature either after the
> statement or in a note)*
> OR
> A-M6 N2 chi4 N3-N6
>
> Or maybe something else?
>
> Any advice would be appreciated!
>
> Angela
>
>
> Angela Jones
> Head of Technical Services
> Underwood Law Library, Dedman School of Law
> Southern Methodist University
> P.O. Box 750354
> Dallas, TX 75275-0354
> 214-768-1827
> arjones at smu.edu
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Noah Sheola
> Senior Special Collections Cataloging Librarian
> John J. Burns Library
> Boston College
> (he/him)
> <Signatures.jpg>
>
>
>

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Noah Sheola
Senior Special Collections Cataloging Librarian
John J. Burns Library
Boston College
(he/him)
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