[DCRM-L] Question about inserted signature

[JOHN LANCASTER]

Just saw this thread - nothing to add about the collation, but surely the format can't be 16mo.  Gathering in sixes suggests either 12mo or, less likely in view of the image, 18mo.  The inserted gathering could of course be of a different format, perhaps 8vo? - it seems noticeably shorter than the surrounding leaves.  Chain line and watermark evidence could be dispositive.

John Lancaster


> On 2022 Sep 16, at 10:06 AM, Jones, Angela <arjones at mail.smu.edu> wrote:
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> Hi Noah,
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> Thank you very much for the reply. After I re-read my original email and then read your response, I realized that perhaps I wasn’t as clear as I should have been about the gathering that contained the inserted leaves. Here’s the sequence:
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> Leaves N1-N2 (corresponds to pages 145-148)
> Cancellation mark
> Inserted gathering of four (unsigned?) (pages 148 bis. to 149 octies. I suspect that 149 octies. Is a misprint and should be 148 octies, since the page before is 148 septies.)
> Leaves N3-N6
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> However, as I keep looking at the gathering, I wonder if this situation might be more closely related to an inserted folded leaf, and perhaps what I am seeing isn’t really a cancellation? I’ve attached a picture that I took and captured the situation as best as I could.
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> Also, I did notice that the first leaf of the inserted gathering has a star at the bottom. I confess that I didn’t really notice it initially. Then I looked at each of the four leaves  and there is a similar single star on the third leaf; the second and fourth leaves are unsigned. 
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> Thank you again,
> Angela
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> From: DCRM-L <dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu <mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu>> On Behalf Of Noah Sheola
> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 12:12 PM
> To: DCRM Users' Group <dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu <mailto:dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu>>
> Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] Question about inserted signature
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> [EXTERNAL SENDER]
> Hi Angela,
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> From what you’re describing, I think the statement would be A-M6 N6(N2+chi4). This however does not take into account the cancel. Which leaf do you believe is canceled? And are you saying this leaf was just removed, or removed and replaced?
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> - Noah
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> On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 4:35 PM Jones, Angela <arjones at mail.smu.edu <mailto:arjones at mail.smu.edu>> wrote:
> Hello,
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> We’ve run into an interesting situation with a French book printed in 1782. The book is composed of various tables related to tariffs. The book is a 16mo and the signatures have gatherings of 6 leaves with the gatherings signed A-N.
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> The N gathering is the last one in the book and it is also in 6 leaves. However, between leaf N2 and N3 (pages 148-149) another gathering is inserted. This is a gathering of 4 leaves, completely unsigned. The pagination continues through this section in a modified fashion, with pages in the inserted gathering being numbered 148 bis., 148 ter., 148 quatr., etc. There is also a cancellation at the point of the inserted signature.
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> What would be the proper way to designate this in a signature statement? I’ve looked in Gaskell and on page 330 I see a reference to interpolations made inside gatherings, but to be honest I am not sure how to interpret the example that is given. 
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> So I wonder if our best options are one of these two statements:
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> A-N6 (with a note about the inserted signature either after the statement or in a note)
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> A-M6 N2 chi4 N3-N6
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> Or maybe something else?
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> Any advice would be appreciated!
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> Angela
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> Angela Jones
> Head of Technical Services
> Underwood Law Library, Dedman School of Law
> Southern Methodist University
> P.O. Box 750354
> Dallas, TX 75275-0354
> 214-768-1827
> arjones at smu.edu <mailto:arjones at smu.edu>
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> Noah Sheola
> Senior Special Collections Cataloging Librarian
> John J. Burns Library
> Boston College
> (he/him)
> <Signatures.jpg>

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