[DCRM-L] To be or not to be a colophon...

Fri Dec 1 09:56:10 MST 2023

AMREMM, Wikipedia, <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colophon_(publishing)>
and Wiktionary <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/colophon> do as well.

On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 6:10 AM Tint, Deborah via DCRM-L <dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu>
wrote:

> Getty AAT does allow the term colophon for these statements occurring at
> the beginning of the book, but that is down towards the end of the 'scope
> note.'
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> https://www.getty.edu/vow/AATFullDisplay?find=colophon&logic=AND&note=&english=N&prev_page=1&subjectid=300028710
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> Leslie via DCRM-L <dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu>
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 30, 2023 6:44 PM
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> *Cc:* Deborah J. Leslie <DJLeslie at FOLGER.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [DCRM-L] To be or not to be a colophon...
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> I have to disagree. Placement at the end of the text is the basic
> requirement for a colophon. If you try to call that a colophon in your
> catalog record, people will be expecting to find it at the end.
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> Deborah J Leslie , M.A., M.L.S. | Senior Cataloger | Folger Shakespeare
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> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 29, 2023 17:15
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> *Cc:* Steven Clement <Steven.Clement at dia.govt.nz>
> *Subject:* Re: [DCRM-L] To be or not to be a colophon...
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> Good morning
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>
> Following my experience with Russian and Ukrainian titles (20th century),
> this sort of layout with an “ante-colophon” is not that uncommon – the
> books tend to have the table of contents at the back following the European
> tradition.
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>
> I read, speak and write Russian, so my Czech is *only an estimation*; but
> the publication data you have reads like and old-time “explicit,” which in
> my opinion, qualifies it as a colophon.  It says, (para.) “This book was
> [issued, published] on the 20th day, [of June, I believe] 1937 …” which
> is a publication statement.  Should you call it a colophon?   Probably not.
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>
> The “page facing title page” you propose is something I have used, or
> “printer’s statement.”  I have used “first printed page” for fine print
> materials, as well (assuming it is).
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> Printer’s statements typically do give the type of paper, font used
> (Bodoni), *etc.* and the printer’s name (Československá grafická Unie).
> Here it also gives the publisher: “V… Z…”  I’m not sure what Carter says
> about printer’s statement though.
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> I hope this helps a little.
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> Regards
>
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>
> Steve Clement
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> National Library of New Zealand
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> Rare Books and Fine Print Cataloguer
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> =========== For what it’s worth ===========
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> I see the Czech National Library views things this way too:
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> https://eds.s.ebscohost.com/eds/detail/detail?vid=2&sid=03938e2e-e6ce-419b-8fee-f5a8abd0dfe2%40redis&bdata=Jmxhbmc9Y3M%3d#AN=ncr.000747054&db=cat05608a
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> *Země na severu / Adolf Chaloupka*
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> Jazyk:     Czech
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> Autoři:   Chaloupka, Adolf, 1895-1973
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> Informace o publikaci: Praha : Vladimír Zikeš, 1937 (Československá
> grafická Unie)
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> Datum publikování:           1937
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> Fyzický popis: 42 s. : [XVI] obr. příl. ; 8°
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> Typ publikace: Book
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> Typ dokumentu: Book
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> Poznámky: V úpravě prof. Josefa Solara
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> Bibliofilie             Cenná vazba
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> OCLC:                   85574405
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> Systémové číslo: ncr.000747054
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> Databáze:            Katalog Národní knihovny ČR / Catalogue of the
> National Library CR
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> Regards
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> Steve Clement
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> *Subject:* [DCRM-L] To be or not to be a colophon...
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> Hello cataloging crew,
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>
>
> I have in hand a 1937 Czech book (image attached) with colophon-esque
> information facing the title page. Can this still be considered a colophon
> even though it’s not at the back of the book?
>
>
>
> I’ve already consulted Carter, which emphasizes the placement as an
> essential feature…and yet this page seems to have all the trappings of a
> colophon: date, printer, number and process of illustrations, etc. If not a
> colophon, what else would this be called? Just “page facing title page”?
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> Any insight and/or opinions would be most welcome.
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> Thank you all!
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>
> Samantha Foster
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> ALF Cataloger
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> Lilly Library, Indiana University
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