[DCRM-L] Subject: Inferred [par.] in signature statement -- double square brackets or no?

[Jennifer Dunlap]

 Thank you Stefan and Deborah for weighing in. I like the idea of
differentiating the style of the two pars. within the square brackets and
using pi for the first gathering renders the need for a note moot. I wonder
if it might be worth adding some best practices/examples to DCRM(R) for
situations where a clear distinction is made in the signing by deliberate
use of a different type. Thanks again for the assist!

Best,
Jennifer





Jennifer Dunlap
Rare Materials Cataloguer
John Carter Brown Library
Providence, Rhode Island
jennifer_dunlap at brown.edu

On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 5:54 PM Deborah J. Leslie via DCRM-L <
dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu> wrote:

> I like Stefan's suggestion, with one quibble—the fact that there's an pi4 in
> the signature statement means that there's an initial unsigned gathering of
> four leaves, making the explanation redundant.
>
>
> ______________________
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> Deborah J Leslie , M.A., M.L.S. | Senior Cataloger | Folger Shakespeare
> Library | djleslie at folger.edu | Opinions her own
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> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 26, 2025 03:20
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> *Cc:* Duhr, Stefan <Stefan.Duhr at sbb.spk-berlin.de>;
> jennifer_dunlap at brown.edu <jennifer_dunlap at brown.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [DCRM-L] [EXT] Subject: Inferred [par.] in signature
> statement -- double square brackets or no?
>
>
> Hello Jennifer,
>
>
>
> As a newcomer to this list and from my own experience with this topic (
> https://verbundwiki.gbv.de/x/HYD_Cw), I would make a distinction in the
> designation between the second and third gathering and label the first
> gathering as unsigned.
>
>
>
> The formula would look like this:
>
> pi⁴ 2[par. curled]⁴ 2[par. straight]⁴ A-2I⁴; first gathering unsigned.
>
>
>
> So far, I have only treated this case hypothetically (
> https://verbundwiki.gbv.de/download/attachments/201228317/Lagensignaturen_Vertiefung.pdf).
> Do you have exact title details, or a link to an existing digital copy?
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Stefan
>
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> *Von:* DCRM-L <dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu> *Im Auftrag von *Jennifer
> Dunlap via DCRM-L
> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 25. Februar 2025 18:09
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> *Cc:* Jennifer Dunlap <jrdunlap7 at gmail.com>; jennifer_dunlap at brown.edu
> *Betreff:* [EXT] [DCRM-L] Subject: Inferred [par.] in signature statement
> -- double square brackets or no?
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> Hello,
>
>
>
> I'm hoping the collective wisdom of the list can point me in the right
> direction of how best to render the signatures for the preliminary
> gatherings of the item I'm cataloging. The first gathering is unsigned;
> gathering 2 signed  ❡ ❡ (paragraph mark with curled tail) and gathering
> 3, with ¶ ¶ (paragraph mark with straight tail). I'm inclined to render
> the inferred par. as [[par.]], with a note that it is unsigned for clarity,
> and the third gathering as ²2[par.]:
>
>
>
> Signatures: [[par.]]⁴ 2[par.]⁴ ²2[par.]⁴ A-2I⁴; first gathering unsigned.
>
>
>
> Alternatively, I could simply omit the second set of brackets and retain
> the unsigned note.
>
>
>
> Signatures: [par.]⁴ 2[par.]⁴ ²2[par.]⁴ A-2I⁴; first gathering unsigned.
>
>
>
> Since the type used for the [par.] signs for the second and third
> gathering are different I don't feel comfortable rendering the third
> gathering as 3[par.] with a missigned note. How have others dealt with
> similar situations?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Jennifer
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Jennifer Dunlap
>
> Rare Materials Cataloguer
>
> John Carter Brown Library
>
> Providence, Rhode Island
>
> jennifer_dunlap at brown.edu
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