[DCRB-L] RE:WG1 scope

[Deborah J. Leslie]

Jain, you and I are very close on this. Keep in mind that the general principles document that Joe is now writing is not necessarily the form it will take as part of any publication, but in the first place is there to help us with this revision. So, overarching general principles (amended from this working document as appropriate) would be part of each manual. Whether or not material-specific principles would also be present in the manual is another issue. When I suggested that the points be expanded in application for rare books, I meant that they be done separately and not inserted into the document as it now stands. 

Deborah 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jain Fletcher [mailto:jfletchr at library.ucla.edu] 
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 12:43 PM
To: dcrb-l at lib.byu.edu
Subject: RE: [DCRB-L] General principles: scope


Aha, an interesting idea.  I have only read Deborah's message once 
thru, but let me propose a slight alternative to this good idea, just 
to put another idea "out there". How about having the GPs provide the 
overview for all formats and let each manual provide specifics as to 
the how some of the principles may differ or relate in the format being 
addressed? (This is really only a slight alternative, in my view, to 
what Deborah is suggesting.  The way I see this is a point-by-point 
expansion of the GPs, but separate from them.)  I suggest this not 
(necessarily) as an advocate of "the other formats", but simply because 
Joe's GPs draft (*after* p. 1) aligns itself with FRBR, which itself 
also tries to cover all formats (and seems to do so fairly 
successfully). 

Here's how I see that this might work.  In each manual, the GPs remain 
a document which covers all formats (I believe it should exist in a 
"pure" state). A subsequent prefatory addendum (hmmmm, it's not meant 
to sound that "wild", but I thought I'd play with those terms a little 
bit) would specify how they apply to the format in that specific 
manual.  Using DJL's expansion for proposal (d), here's a mock-up of 
what I mean:

[Intro for all manuals:]  GPs (as finalized)
	
	(then, next--)

[Expansion for the format, e.g.]:   GPs for Books

(a) ....
(b) ....
(c) ....
(d)  	1.	Full statements of extent, accounting for every leaf in 
the text block.
         2.	Bibliographic format included in size measurement
   	 3.	Guidance for specific notes of bibliographical 
significance, such as signature statements, descriptions of 
typographical features, &c. 
  	 4.	Encouragement for added entries for printers, 
booksellers, &c.
(e) ....
(f) .... 
etc.

(Hope this is clear.  This is one problem with trying to having 
planning discussions over e-mail.  Tho' I think we do quite well with 
it generally; any lack of clarity here is mine.)
			--Jain

On Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:45:41 -0500 "Deborah J. Leslie" 
<DJLeslie at folger.edu> wrote:

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jain Fletcher [mailto:jfletchr at library.ucla.edu]
> Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 2:49 PM
> To: DCRB-L
> Subject: [DCRB-L] Gen'l Principles: a few comments
> 
> Jain writes:
>       <...>  I had understood that these GPs would stand for all the 
materials covered in DCRM (books, music, maps, serials, mss).  While 
most of Joe's draft seems to indicate this broader coverage, the very 
first page contains some more limiting statements which I would like to 
request be made more broad.  
> 
> _________________________
> 
>  Joe was given quite a difficult task, that of developing general 
principles for cataloging rare _materials_ along with more specific 
applications for the cataloging of rare books. Where I would like to 
see the principles developed is in the direction of specifics for rare 
books. One way it could be done is to expand each of the alphabetic 
"DCRM should" statements and give specific printed book-related 
applications. E.g., 
> 
>  d) DCRM rules should provide for inclusion of all elements of 
bibliographical significance. 
>  	1.	Full statements of extent, accounting for every leaf in 
the text block.
>  	2.	Bibliographic format included in size measurement
>  	3.	Guidance for specific notes of bibliographical 
significance, such as signature statements, descriptions of 
typographical features, &c. 
>  	4.	Encouragement for added entries for printers, 
booksellers, &c.
>  
> 
>  In the same way, such an expansion of particular points could be 
done for the rules of individual rare material formats. 
> 
> Deborah J. Leslie
> Head of Cataloging
> Folger Shakespeare Library
> 201 East Capitol St., S.E.
> Washington, D.C. 20003
> 202.675-0369 (voice)
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> djleslie at folger.edu 

Jain Fletcher 
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