[DCRB-L] DCRM(B) series area

[John Attig]

As the person who launched the discussion on the CC:DA list, I want to 
reinforce Deborah's point.  I have no idea where the CC:DA discussion will 
go (it is slow in taking off), but so far I haven't heard anybody who 
agrees with Judy Kuhagen's interpretation.  We'll have to see how the 
general discussion plays out, but I have no reason to expect that the 
interpretation will stand.  The main question is HOW to change it.

However, in this context, I want to note that AACR2 explicitly says that 
archival and specialized cataloging may require special rules.  To me, this 
is a clear case in which the high value on exact transcription in 
describing rare materials applies.  Whatever the decision is about the text 
and interpretation of AACR2, there is clear justification for a more 
rigorous rule in DCRM.

         John Attig
         Cataloging Services
         Pennsylvania State University Libraries
         jxa16 at psulias.psu.edu

At 02:08 PM 2/4/2003, Jain Fletcher wrote:
>Deborah,
>    Your message and your words are galvanizing.  Thanks for giving us
>this update.  I was sitting next to Bob when we both learned of Judy's
>(ahem) interpretation of the series rule.  She kept telling us (in
>response to Bob's very vociferous objections) that "We [serials-types]
>told you [monograph-types] to come to our hearings about this issue
>because things were changing!" However, when things were changing, I
>wasn't seeing anything so momentous in this area, or I would have been
>at hearings--as would many others.  I even went after the session to the
>ALA store to look at the rule in AACR2R (2002).  I didn't see then and I
>still don't see anything written there (Ch. 1 & 2) that changes the
>practice we have been using. In fact, IMO, the only thing the added Ch.
>12 stuff does is give better guidance on how to make SARs--both the
>title and the xrefs--but not how to *transcribe* (yes, the word used in
>Ch. 1-2) the series in a monograph record.  I realized afterwards that
>Judy's (ahem) narrow take on this matter has come because she is so
>focused in her own work on "big picture" series/serials issues.
>
>Still, no matter what transpires (tho' I agree with you: "This will
>not stand!"), I found myself thinking during that presentation that I
>was glad we had developed the General Principles, so that we could
>diverge from AACR2 when needed.  (In fact, I'm not sure if I said at
>the meeting, but I do think we may want to use FRBR as our
>foundational principles, even while trying to correlate with AACR2 as
>much as possible.)
>                                         Thanks again, Jain
>**Note to self: re-sub to AutoCat--it sounds like it's finally getting
>interesting again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>
>On Tue, 4 Feb 2003 11:42:04 -0500 "Deborah J. Leslie"
><DJLeslie at folger.edu> wrote:
>
> >  I also want to reassure everyone on this list that many people are
>considerably angry about this and determined not to let the 4xx spiral
>off its transcription identity.  Several of us ran into some LC people
>by chance in Philadelphia, and THEY brought the topic up. Although for
>DCRM we can conceivably ignore the interpretation Judy Kuhagen has
>given to the constellation of rules governing series transcription,
>this is something much larger than ourselves and should be tackled on
>that level. The waters have been stirred up. "This will not stand" (to
>quote myself in a moment of impassioned outrage).
> >
> > ___________________________
> > Deborah J. Leslie, M.A., M.L.S.
> > Head of Cataloging
> > Folger Shakespeare Library
> > 201 East Capitol St., S.E.
> > Washington, D.C. 20003
> > 202.675-0369 (p)
> > 202.675-0328 (f)
> > djleslie at folger.edu
> > www.folger.edu
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Robert Maxwell [mailto:robert_maxwell at byu.edu]
> > > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 11:37 AM
> > > To: dcrb-l at lib.byu.edu
> > > Subject: RE: [DCRB-L] DCRM(B) series area
> > >
> > >
> > > Richard & al.:
> > >
> > > You are not the only one unhappy about this, and you should know that
> > > discussion of the issue is about to begin on the CC:DA list.
> > >
> > > As ACRL liaison to CC:DA and representing the BSC I have also
> > > written a note of protest to our JSC representatives.
> > >
> > > Robert L. Maxwell
> > > Special Collections and Ancient Languages Catalog Librarian
> > > Genre/Form Authorities Librarian
> > > 6728 Harold B. Lee Library
> > > Brigham Young University
> > > Provo, UT 84602
> > > (801)422-5568
>
>Jain Fletcher
>Head, Technical Services Division
>Dept. of Special Collections
>A1713 YRL
>Research Library - UCLA
>Box 951575
>Los Angeles, CA   90095-1575
>
>v: (310) 794-4096
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