[DCRM-L] Relator terms

Tue Dec 5 13:44:19 MST 2006

And for UC Berkeley as well, although we use relator codes not relator terms.

Randy

At 11:18 AM 12/5/2006, Ryan Hildebrand wrote:
>This is also true for UC Irvine.
>
>-Ryan
>
>Ryan Hildebrand, Special Collections and Archives Cataloger
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>On 12/5/2006 10:20 AM, R. Arvid Nelsen wrote:
>>UCSD uses relator terms extensively for both personal names and corporate 
>>bodies and these are input into the master records at OCLC.
>>
>>~Arvid Nelsen
>>
>>R. Arvid Nelsen
>>Coord. of Technical Services/Original Cataloger/Classical Studies Librarian
>>University of California, San Diego
>>Mandeville Special Collections Library
>>9500 Gilman Drive, 0175S
>>La Jolla, CA 92093-0175
>>Phone: 858-534-6766
>>Fax: 858-534-5950
>>
>>
>>
>> >>> <mailto:ejh at grolierclub.org>ejh at grolierclub.org 12/05/06 06:05AM >>>
>>The Grolier Club also makes extensive use of relator terms, both for 
>>individuals and corporate bodies.
>>
>>At 08:55 AM 12/5/2006, you wrote:
>>>Same for the Folger. Plus the many relators for printers and booksellers 
>>>identified as a corporate body, of the "710 2_ Haeredes Nicolai 
>>>Bevilaquae, |e printer" variety
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: <mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu>dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [ 
>>>mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Hillyard, Brian
>>>Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 6:20 AM
>>>To: DCRM Revision Group List
>>>Subject: RE: [DCRM-L] Relator terms
>>>
>>>Bob
>>>
>>>One of the most common uses of relators in 710 must be for indexing 
>>>former ownership by institutions (e.g. monastic, British Museum 
>>>duplicates, and so on).  We would have hundreds if not thousands of these.
>>>
>>>Best wishes
>>>
>>>Brian
>>>
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>>>Dr Brian Hillyard
>>>Rare Book Collections Manager
>>>National Library of Scotland
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>>>From: <mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu>dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [ 
>>>mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Maxwell
>>>Sent: 05 December 2006 00:10
>>>To: DCRM Revision Group List
>>>Subject: [DCRM-L] Relator terms
>>>
>>>Dear DCRMers,
>>>
>>>We seem to be winding down somewhat on the final touches to DCRM, so I 
>>>thought I'd introduce another topic entirely :-) Speaking of which, MANY 
>>>congratulations and thanks to Manon, Deborah, and all you others who 
>>>have contributed so much to this!
>>>
>>>
>>>As many of you are, we are an RLIN library working on the transition to 
>>>OCLC. We've taped our records to OCLC for years but never cataloged in 
>>>the system. In order to continue our PCC BIBCO work we recently applied 
>>>for and were granted the appropriate cataloging enhance statuses. 
>>>However there was a small glitch. OCLC wanted a set of sample records, 
>>>and I chose a variety of BYU original records that were already in OCLC 
>>>through our tapeloading. This sample included a few of my own cataloging 
>>>records. Although we were given the enhance status we needed, a few of 
>>>the records were returned to me with "problems" circled in red. And 
>>>these "problems" were all on my records and they were all instances 
>>>where I had included relator terms with added entries :-(
>>>
>>>
>>>The OCLC examiners had two issues: (1) LCRI 21.0D supposedly forbids the 
>>>use of relator terms, and (2) AACR2 only allows relators to be used with 
>>>personal names, not corporate bodies.
>>>
>>>Now the answer to (1) seems fairly straightforward to me--LCRI 21.0D is 
>>>explicitly labelled "LC Practice", meaning it need not apply outside LC 
>>>(and as a matter of fact I happen to know that the LC Practice label was 
>>>added specifically so that BIBCO catalogers could use relator terms).
>>>
>>>The answer to (2) is a little more tricky--frankly I had never dreamed 
>>>that we couldn't use "$e printer" or "$e publisher" after a corporate 
>>>body (e.g. Arion Press, $e printer or Book Club of California, $e 
>>>publisher), but now that it has been pointed out to me 21.0D does in 
>>>fact say "In the cases noted below, add [a] ... designation of function 
>>>to an added entry for a person". (MARC documentation certainly allows 
>>>for use of relators terms in 710 fields.) I was told by someone at LC 
>>>that it had been recently proposed to JSC to correct this and add 
>>>corporate bodies to the rule but it had been withdrawn pending RDA, but 
>>>I don't remember anything about such a proposal.
>>>
>>>As the new kid on the block I don't really want to get a reputation for 
>>>belligerency (and in fact I really don't WANT to be belligerent!) but I 
>>>do want to clarify this and so I intend to bring it up with the person 
>>>who examined our records, but after I've consulted you folks. It does 
>>>seem to me that relator terms add quite a bit of value to entries, 
>>>especially considering FRBR's emphasis on clarifying the relationships 
>>>between entities (e.g. between persons or corporate bodies and works, 
>>>expressions, manifestations, or items). They are also essential to the 
>>>indexing in our catalog. I am talking about relator terms, not codes, by 
>>>the way.
>>>
>>>I'd be interested in your thoughts, on two fronts: (1) I have been 
>>>assuming that most of the rare cataloging community does use relator 
>>>terms in their work, but I could be wrong--so I'd be interested in 
>>>hearing what your practice is (including do you use them with corporate 
>>>bodies, and does your library use them outside special collections 
>>>cataloging); and (2) those of you who are experienced OCLC catalogers, 
>>>including enhance libraries, do you use them in OCLC master records? I 
>>>suppose one could enhance or create the master record and then add 
>>>relators to the local record but that does seem a bit a shame to me ...
>>>
>>>And of course anything else you have to say about this issue would be of 
>>>great interest. And any other tips on becoming a successful OCLC 
>>>cataloging entity!
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Bob
>>>
>>>Robert L. Maxwell
>>>Special Collections and Ancient Languages Catalog Librarian
>>>Genre/Form Authorities Librarian
>>>6728 Harold B. Lee Library
>>>Brigham Young University
>>>Provo, UT 84602
>>>(801)422-5568
>>>
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>>
>>Eric Holzenberg
>>Director
>>The Grolier Club
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