[DCRM-L] Relator terms
nschneider at nypl.org
nschneider at nypl.org
Wed Dec 6 14:33:00 MST 2006
Kate:
That said, do you have filing problems with that policy?
Maybe we could open this up to one of the MARC for SC discussion topics?
Nina
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This thread has pointed out a discrepancy in Saint Louis University's
cataloging of its rare and circulating materials. For circulating
materials, we've been using relator *codes* but only in our local
system. For our rare materials we use relator *terms* in OCLC master
records. In both cases we apply relators to name and corporate entries.
Discussion here at SLU continues...
-Kate
Randal Brandt wrote:
> And for UC Berkeley as well, although we use relator codes not relator
> terms.
>
> Randy
>
>
> At 11:18 AM 12/5/2006, Ryan Hildebrand wrote:
>
>> This is also true for UC Irvine.
>>
>> -Ryan
>>
>>Ryan Hildebrand, Special
>>Collections and Archives Cataloger
>>UCI Libraries, P.O. Box 19557, University of California, Irvine, CA
>>92623-9557
>>Telephone: (949) 824-2263 | Fax: (949)
>>824-2472
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/5/2006 10:20 AM, R. Arvid Nelsen wrote:
>>
>>> UCSD uses relator terms extensively for both personal names and
>>> corporate bodies and these are input into the master records at OCLC.
>>>
>>> ~Arvid Nelsen
>>>
>>> R. Arvid Nelsen
>>> Coord. of Technical Services/Original Cataloger/Classical Studies
>>> Librarian
>>> University of California, San Diego
>>> Mandeville Special Collections Library
>>> 9500 Gilman Drive, 0175S
>>> La Jolla, CA 92093-0175
>>> Phone: 858-534-6766
>>> Fax: 858-534-5950
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >>> ejh at grolierclub.org <mailto:ejh at grolierclub.org> 12/05/06
>>> 06:05AM >>>
>>> The Grolier Club also makes extensive use of relator terms, both for
>>> individuals and corporate bodies.
>>>
>>> At 08:55 AM 12/5/2006, you wrote:
>>>
>>>> Same for the Folger. Plus the many relators for printers and
>>>> booksellers identified as a corporate body, of the "710 2_ Haeredes
>>>> Nicolai Bevilaquae, |e printer" variety
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu
>>>> <mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu> [
>>>> mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Hillyard, Brian
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 6:20 AM
>>>> To: DCRM Revision Group List
>>>> Subject: RE: [DCRM-L] Relator terms
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>> One of the most common uses of relators in 710 must be for
>>>> indexing former ownership by institutions (e.g. monastic,
>>>> British Museum duplicates, and so on). We would have hundreds
>>>> if not thousands of these.
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes
>>>>
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>> *********************************************
>>>> Dr Brian Hillyard
>>>> Rare Book Collections Manager
>>>> National Library of Scotland
>>>> George IV Bridge, Edinburgh EH1 1EW
>>>> E-mail: b.hillyard at nls.uk <mailto:b.hillyard at nls.uk>
>>>> Direct dial: +44 (0)131 623 3889
>>>> Fax: +44 (0)131 623 3888
>>>>
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>>>> From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu
>>>> <mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu> [
>>>> mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Maxwell
>>>> Sent: 05 December 2006 00:10
>>>> To: DCRM Revision Group List
>>>> Subject: [DCRM-L] Relator terms
>>>>
>>>> Dear DCRMers,
>>>>
>>>> We seem to be winding down somewhat on the final touches to
>>>> DCRM, so I thought I'd introduce another topic entirely :-)
>>>> Speaking of which, MANY congratulations and thanks to Manon,
>>>> Deborah, and all you others who have contributed so much to this!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As many of you are, we are an RLIN library working on the
>>>> transition to OCLC. We've taped our records to OCLC for years
>>>> but never cataloged in the system. In order to continue our PCC
>>>> BIBCO work we recently applied for and were granted the
>>>> appropriate cataloging enhance statuses. However there was a
>>>> small glitch. OCLC wanted a set of sample records, and I chose
>>>> a variety of BYU original records that were already in OCLC
>>>> through our tapeloading. This sample included a few of my own
>>>> cataloging records. Although we were given the enhance status
>>>> we needed, a few of the records were returned to me with
>>>> "problems" circled in red. And these "problems" were all on my
>>>> records and they were all instances where I had included
>>>> relator terms with added entries :-(
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The OCLC examiners had two issues: (1) LCRI 21.0D supposedly
>>>> forbids the use of relator terms, and (2) AACR2 only allows
>>>> relators to be used with personal names, not corporate bodies.
>>>>
>>>> Now the answer to (1) seems fairly straightforward to me--LCRI
>>>> 21.0D is explicitly labelled "LC Practice", meaning it need not
>>>> apply outside LC (and as a matter of fact I happen to know that
>>>> the LC Practice label was added specifically so that BIBCO
>>>> catalogers could use relator terms).
>>>>
>>>> The answer to (2) is a little more tricky--frankly I had never
>>>> dreamed that we couldn't use "$e printer" or "$e publisher"
>>>> after a corporate body (e.g. Arion Press, $e printer or Book
>>>> Club of California, $e publisher), but now that it has been
>>>> pointed out to me 21.0D does in fact say "In the cases noted
>>>> below, add [a] ... designation of function to an added entry
>>>> for a person". (MARC documentation certainly allows for use of
>>>> relators terms in 710 fields.) I was told by someone at LC that
>>>> it had been recently proposed to JSC to correct this and add
>>>> corporate bodies to the rule but it had been withdrawn pending
>>>> RDA, but I don't remember anything about such a proposal.
>>>>
>>>> As the new kid on the block I don't really want to get a
>>>> reputation for belligerency (and in fact I really don't WANT to
>>>> be belligerent!) but I do want to clarify this and so I intend
>>>> to bring it up with the person who examined our records, but
>>>> after I've consulted you folks. It does seem to me that relator
>>>> terms add quite a bit of value to entries, especially
>>>> considering FRBR's emphasis on clarifying the relationships
>>>> between entities (e.g. between persons or corporate bodies and
>>>> works, expressions, manifestations, or items). They are also
>>>> essential to the indexing in our catalog. I am talking about
>>>> relator terms, not codes, by the way.
>>>>
>>>> I'd be interested in your thoughts, on two fronts: (1) I have
>>>> been assuming that most of the rare cataloging community does
>>>> use relator terms in their work, but I could be wrong--so I'd
>>>> be interested in hearing what your practice is (including do
>>>> you use them with corporate bodies, and does your library use
>>>> them outside special collections cataloging); and (2) those of
>>>> you who are experienced OCLC catalogers, including enhance
>>>> libraries, do you use them in OCLC master records? I suppose
>>>> one could enhance or create the master record and then add
>>>> relators to the local record but that does seem a bit a shame
>>>> to me ...
>>>>
>>>> And of course anything else you have to say about this issue
>>>> would be of great interest. And any other tips on becoming a
>>>> successful OCLC cataloging entity!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>> Robert L. Maxwell
>>>> Special Collections and Ancient Languages Catalog Librarian
>>>> Genre/Form Authorities Librarian
>>>> 6728 Harold B. Lee Library
>>>> Brigham Young University
>>>> Provo, UT 84602
>>>> (801)422-5568
>>>>
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>>>
>>> Eric Holzenberg
>>> Director
>>> The Grolier Club
>>> 47 East 60th Street
>>> New York, NY 10022
>>> phone: 212/838-6690
>>> fax: 212/838-2445
>>> e-mail: ejh at grolierclub.org <mailto:ejh at grolierclub.org>
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>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Ryan Hildebrand, Special Collections and Archives Cataloger
>>UCI Libraries, P.O. Box 19557, University of California, Irvine, CA
>>92623-9557
>>Telephone: (949) 824-2263 | Fax: (949)
>>824-2472
>>
> __________________________
> Randal Brandt
> Principal Cataloger
> The Bancroft Library
> (510) 643-2275
> rbrandt at library.berkeley.edu
> http://bancroft.berkeley.edu
> <http://bancroft.berkeley.edu/>
>
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Kate S. Moriarty
Rare Book Catalog Librarian
Pius XII Memorial Library
Saint Louis University
3650 Lindell Blvd.
St. Louis, MO 63108
Phone: (314) 977-3098
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