[DCRM-L] Relator terms
Kate Moriarty
moriarks at slu.edu
Wed Dec 6 15:13:20 MST 2006
We're still talking about whether it's causing significant problems. Our
ILS is III's Millenium and we've indexed $e but not $4, so by using $e
relator terms for rare materials and $4 relator codes for circulating
materials it's very easy to see which are the rare ones. But,
obviously, that's only one of many factors we need to consider.
I would be very interested in a MARC for Special Collections Discussion
Group topic on the pros and cons of relator terms and codes.
-Kate
nschneider at nypl.org wrote:
>Kate:
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>That said, do you have filing problems with that policy?
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>Maybe we could open this up to one of the MARC for SC discussion topics?
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>Nina
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>This thread has pointed out a discrepancy in Saint Louis University's
>cataloging of its rare and circulating materials. For circulating
>materials, we've been using relator *codes* but only in our local
>system. For our rare materials we use relator *terms* in OCLC master
>records. In both cases we apply relators to name and corporate entries.
>Discussion here at SLU continues...
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>-Kate
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>Randal Brandt wrote:
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>>And for UC Berkeley as well, although we use relator codes not relator
>>terms.
>>
>>Randy
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>>At 11:18 AM 12/5/2006, Ryan Hildebrand wrote:
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>>>This is also true for UC Irvine.
>>>
>>>-Ryan
>>>
>>>Ryan Hildebrand, Special
>>>Collections and Archives Cataloger
>>>UCI Libraries, P.O. Box 19557, University of California, Irvine, CA
>>>92623-9557
>>>Telephone: (949) 824-2263 | Fax: (949)
>>>824-2472
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On 12/5/2006 10:20 AM, R. Arvid Nelsen wrote:
>>>
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>>>
>>>>UCSD uses relator terms extensively for both personal names and
>>>>corporate bodies and these are input into the master records at OCLC.
>>>>
>>>>~Arvid Nelsen
>>>>
>>>>R. Arvid Nelsen
>>>>Coord. of Technical Services/Original Cataloger/Classical Studies
>>>>Librarian
>>>>University of California, San Diego
>>>>Mandeville Special Collections Library
>>>>9500 Gilman Drive, 0175S
>>>>La Jolla, CA 92093-0175
>>>>Phone: 858-534-6766
>>>>Fax: 858-534-5950
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>>>>ejh at grolierclub.org <mailto:ejh at grolierclub.org> 12/05/06
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>06:05AM >>>
>>>>The Grolier Club also makes extensive use of relator terms, both for
>>>>individuals and corporate bodies.
>>>>
>>>>At 08:55 AM 12/5/2006, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Same for the Folger. Plus the many relators for printers and
>>>>>booksellers identified as a corporate body, of the "710 2_ Haeredes
>>>>>Nicolai Bevilaquae, |e printer" variety
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu
>>>>> <mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu> [
>>>>> mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Hillyard, Brian
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 6:20 AM
>>>>> To: DCRM Revision Group List
>>>>> Subject: RE: [DCRM-L] Relator terms
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob
>>>>>
>>>>> One of the most common uses of relators in 710 must be for
>>>>> indexing former ownership by institutions (e.g. monastic,
>>>>> British Museum duplicates, and so on). We would have hundreds
>>>>> if not thousands of these.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best wishes
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian
>>>>>
>>>>> *********************************************
>>>>> Dr Brian Hillyard
>>>>> Rare Book Collections Manager
>>>>> National Library of Scotland
>>>>> George IV Bridge, Edinburgh EH1 1EW
>>>>> E-mail: b.hillyard at nls.uk <mailto:b.hillyard at nls.uk>
>>>>> Direct dial: +44 (0)131 623 3889
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>>>>> From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu
>>>>> <mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu> [
>>>>> mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Maxwell
>>>>> Sent: 05 December 2006 00:10
>>>>> To: DCRM Revision Group List
>>>>> Subject: [DCRM-L] Relator terms
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear DCRMers,
>>>>>
>>>>> We seem to be winding down somewhat on the final touches to
>>>>> DCRM, so I thought I'd introduce another topic entirely :-)
>>>>> Speaking of which, MANY congratulations and thanks to Manon,
>>>>> Deborah, and all you others who have contributed so much to this!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As many of you are, we are an RLIN library working on the
>>>>> transition to OCLC. We've taped our records to OCLC for years
>>>>> but never cataloged in the system. In order to continue our PCC
>>>>> BIBCO work we recently applied for and were granted the
>>>>> appropriate cataloging enhance statuses. However there was a
>>>>> small glitch. OCLC wanted a set of sample records, and I chose
>>>>> a variety of BYU original records that were already in OCLC
>>>>> through our tapeloading. This sample included a few of my own
>>>>> cataloging records. Although we were given the enhance status
>>>>> we needed, a few of the records were returned to me with
>>>>> "problems" circled in red. And these "problems" were all on my
>>>>> records and they were all instances where I had included
>>>>> relator terms with added entries :-(
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The OCLC examiners had two issues: (1) LCRI 21.0D supposedly
>>>>> forbids the use of relator terms, and (2) AACR2 only allows
>>>>> relators to be used with personal names, not corporate bodies.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now the answer to (1) seems fairly straightforward to me--LCRI
>>>>> 21.0D is explicitly labelled "LC Practice", meaning it need not
>>>>> apply outside LC (and as a matter of fact I happen to know that
>>>>> the LC Practice label was added specifically so that BIBCO
>>>>> catalogers could use relator terms).
>>>>>
>>>>> The answer to (2) is a little more tricky--frankly I had never
>>>>> dreamed that we couldn't use "$e printer" or "$e publisher"
>>>>> after a corporate body (e.g. Arion Press, $e printer or Book
>>>>> Club of California, $e publisher), but now that it has been
>>>>> pointed out to me 21.0D does in fact say "In the cases noted
>>>>> below, add [a] ... designation of function to an added entry
>>>>> for a person". (MARC documentation certainly allows for use of
>>>>> relators terms in 710 fields.) I was told by someone at LC that
>>>>> it had been recently proposed to JSC to correct this and add
>>>>> corporate bodies to the rule but it had been withdrawn pending
>>>>> RDA, but I don't remember anything about such a proposal.
>>>>>
>>>>> As the new kid on the block I don't really want to get a
>>>>> reputation for belligerency (and in fact I really don't WANT to
>>>>> be belligerent!) but I do want to clarify this and so I intend
>>>>> to bring it up with the person who examined our records, but
>>>>> after I've consulted you folks. It does seem to me that relator
>>>>> terms add quite a bit of value to entries, especially
>>>>> considering FRBR's emphasis on clarifying the relationships
>>>>> between entities (e.g. between persons or corporate bodies and
>>>>> works, expressions, manifestations, or items). They are also
>>>>> essential to the indexing in our catalog. I am talking about
>>>>> relator terms, not codes, by the way.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd be interested in your thoughts, on two fronts: (1) I have
>>>>> been assuming that most of the rare cataloging community does
>>>>> use relator terms in their work, but I could be wrong--so I'd
>>>>> be interested in hearing what your practice is (including do
>>>>> you use them with corporate bodies, and does your library use
>>>>> them outside special collections cataloging); and (2) those of
>>>>> you who are experienced OCLC catalogers, including enhance
>>>>> libraries, do you use them in OCLC master records? I suppose
>>>>> one could enhance or create the master record and then add
>>>>> relators to the local record but that does seem a bit a shame
>>>>> to me ...
>>>>>
>>>>> And of course anything else you have to say about this issue
>>>>> would be of great interest. And any other tips on becoming a
>>>>> successful OCLC cataloging entity!
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Bob
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert L. Maxwell
>>>>> Special Collections and Ancient Languages Catalog Librarian
>>>>> Genre/Form Authorities Librarian
>>>>> 6728 Harold B. Lee Library
>>>>> Brigham Young University
>>>>> Provo, UT 84602
>>>>> (801)422-5568
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>Eric Holzenberg
>>>>Director
>>>>The Grolier Club
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>>>--
>>>Ryan Hildebrand, Special Collections and Archives Cataloger
>>>UCI Libraries, P.O. Box 19557, University of California, Irvine, CA
>>>92623-9557
>>>Telephone: (949) 824-2263 | Fax: (949)
>>>824-2472
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>>__________________________
>>Randal Brandt
>>Principal Cataloger
>>The Bancroft Library
>>(510) 643-2275
>>rbrandt at library.berkeley.edu
>>http://bancroft.berkeley.edu
>><http://bancroft.berkeley.edu/>
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>Kate S. Moriarty
>Rare Book Catalog Librarian
>Pius XII Memorial Library
>Saint Louis University
>3650 Lindell Blvd.
>St. Louis, MO 63108
>Phone: (314) 977-3098
>moriarks at slu.edu
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Kate S. Moriarty
Rare Book Catalog Librarian
Pius XII Memorial Library
Saint Louis University
3650 Lindell Blvd.
St. Louis, MO 63108
Phone: (314) 977-3098
moriarks at slu.edu
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