[DCRM-L] Area 8 & Appendix A comments

Mon Oct 2 18:20:23 MDT 2006

Points taken on "nontextual." The problem with the added sentence is
being clear about what exactly we're saying with A7. The main thing we
want to get across is that records for nonmonographic book formats
cannot be coded dcrmb even if they have been cataloged according to an
adapted standard. This suggests that we don't mind if you adapt DCRM(B)
for other formats, just don't apply the coding. Then we tell people to
use any existing component manuals instead, which makes it sound as if
we don't want them adapting DCRM(B) for other formats. What I'm looking
for is a way to recommend other DCRM manuals without making it a
command. 

__________________________________________ 
Deborah J. Leslie, M.A., M.L.S.
Chair, RBMS Bibliographic Standards Committee
http://www.folger.edu/bsc/index.html
Head of Cataloging, Folger Shakespeare Library
201 East Capitol St., S.E., Washington, D.C. 20003 
djleslie at folger.edu || 202.675-0369 || http://www.folger.edu   

-----Original Message-----
From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On
Behalf Of Robert Maxwell
Sent: 02 October 2006 18:15
To: DCRM Revision Group List
Subject: RE: [DCRM-L] Area 8 & Appendix A comments

I agree that "Nontextual" doesn't work. I realize "nonbook" is
problematic as well--rare serials are in fact "books" as are some scores
and maps (e.g. atlases); for that matter, since sheets are counted as
"books", since they are cataloged under dcrm(b), that would mean that
sheet music and sheet maps are also "books" so far as format of ink on
paper goes. I don't think we need to tie ourselves into knots over this,
though. I prefer "nonbook" to "nontextual", especially since we also
give a list of examples of what we mean by "nonbook." I do not think the
language will be misunderstood. If we really are worried about "nonbook"
we could word it as follows:

A7. Nonbook Other formats 

Do not apply the code "dcrmb" to records for nonbook materials such as
serials, maps, music, manuscripts and graphics even though they may have
been cataloged according to an adapted, "DCRM(B)-like" standard.
Instead, use a DCRM component manual for the format being described, if
one exists.

Bob

Robert L. Maxwell
Special Collections and Ancient Languages Catalog Librarian
Genre/Form Authorities Librarian
6728 Harold B. Lee Library
Brigham Young University
Provo, UT 84602
(801)422-5568 

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[mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Fletcher, Jain
	Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 3:59 PM
	To: DCRM Revision Group List
	Subject: RE: [DCRM-L] Area 8 & Appendix A comments

	Hi, I would just like to insert a note here to say that "A7" as
it currently stands is probably better (and safer).  As to referring to
all material other than books as "non-textual", don't forget that
serials, music and even maps often have much text associated with it.
Also remember that material other than books fit the AACR definition of
"monograph".  Still, I believe that the asterisked phrase in Deborah's
suggested new text, however, would cover the elaboration that Alex seems
to be asking for (if I am understanding his point correctly).   So, how
about: 

	A7. Nonbook formats 

	Do not apply the code "dcrmb" to records for nonbook materials
such as serials, maps, music, and graphics, even though they may have
been cataloged according to an adapted, "DCRM(B)-like" standard.
Instead, use a DCRM component manual for the format being described, if
one exists.

--Jain

	Jain Fletcher
	Principal Cataloger & Head, Technical Services Division 
	Department of Special Collections 
	Young Research Library - UCLA Box 951575
	Los Angeles, CA 90095-1575

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	From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu
[mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Deborah J. Leslie
	Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 10:25 PM
	To: DCRM Revision Group List
	Subject: RE: [DCRM-L] Area 8 & Appendix A comments

	Thanks, Alex. This is a good question. Now that I look at it,
I'm not comfortable with referring to serials as "nonbook" formats, and
notice that DCRB did not include serials here. Comments welcome; to get
the ball rolling, I suggest changing from 

	A7. Nonbook formats 

	Do not apply the code "dcrmb" to records for nonbook materials
such as serials, maps, music, and graphics, even though they may have
been cataloged according to an adapted, "DCRM(B)-like" standard.

	To

	A7. Nontextual formats 

	Do not apply the code "dcrmb" to records for nonmonographic or
nontextual materials such as graphics, maps, music, and serials, even
though they may have been described according to an adapted,
"DCRM(B)-like" standard.*

	*Use a DCRM component manual for the format being described if
one exists.

	Or

	*If describing rare music or serials, use the appropriate DCRM
component manual.

	Our list of sources cited would then have DCRM(M) and DCRM(S). 

	__________________________________________

	Deborah J. Leslie, M.A., M.L.S.
	Chair, RBMS Bibliographic Standards Committee
	http://www.folger.edu/bsc/index.html
	Head of Cataloging, Folger Shakespeare Library
	201 East Capitol St., S.E., Washington, D.C. 20003

	djleslie at folger.edu || 202.675-0369 || http://www.folger.edu   

	-----Original Message-----
	From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu
[mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Alex Thurman
	Sent: 12 September 2006 13:55
	To: dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu
	Subject: [DCRM-L] Area 8 & Appendix A comments

	Area 8 looks good to me--I found no typos or other errors.

	I like Appendix A too, particularly the inclusion of a section
for 

	full-level DCRM(B). My only reservation about App. A is that
"A7. Nonbook 

	formats" seems to require another sentence of elaboration. Does
this 

	section's reference to "an adapted, 'DCRM(B)-like' standard"
allude to 

	DCRM(S), DCRM(M), etc.? If so why not point out that these
related 

	standards will have their own codes? (or provide them, if they
are known)

	--Alex

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