[DCRM-L] Citing ESTC

Thu Sep 6 10:37:14 MDT 2007

This makes sense. 

I question the hyphen. Standard citation forms gives Chicago manual of
style as its authority, and the Chicago manual of style gives the 11th
ed. Of Webster's collegiate dictionary as its authority for spelling.
And Webster's has "online. 

We submitted to this authority when writing DCRM(B), and I suggest that
SCF also submit to this authority.
__________________________
Deborah J. Leslie, M.A., M.L.S.
Head of Cataloging
Folger Shakespeare Library
201 East Capitol St., S.E.
Washington, D.C. 20003
202.675-0369
djleslie at folger.edu | http://www.folger.edu 

-----Original Message-----
From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On
Behalf Of Elizabeth Robinson
Sent: Thursday, 06 September, 2007 12:12
To: dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu
Subject: Fwd: RE: [DCRM-L] Citing ESTC

Here's the follow-up. The present proposal is for all
the old, out-of-date citation forms (BLAISE, RLIN,
microfiche [both editions], and CD-ROM) to remain
noted in SCF as background info for present records
that have such in their 510s (my suggestion). But for
new work, the citation form would be 

ESTC (on-line)

As noted yesterday, this was agreed to by Henry Snyder
and Juliet McLaren, the initial question of what form
for post-RLIN ESTC raised by Alan Degutis of AAS.
Moira Goff at BL was also consulted. 

Some rationale from Henry: "It occurs to me there
might be another alternative, ESTC (online). There are
several hundred accounts working off our webpage. It
is the same file, if you like a generic one,
accessible through two webpages, bl and ucr. This
would cover both or any other form of access that
might be devised in the future. What we really want to
indicate is the information is derived from the online
access and implicit is the fact that it is under
constant revision ..."

Juliet suggested (and Henry later agreed) to the
hyphenated "on-line".

I have not yet moved this forward through CPSO and
CDS, so if there is anything further, Randal, would
you please cc me at the erob at loc.gov address on the
final verdict? 

Thanks much.

Elizabeth Robinson
Team Leader
Rare Book Team
Special Materials Cataloging Division
Library of Congress
erob at loc.gov

--- Elizabeth Robinson <vava_22304 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 17:48:14 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Elizabeth Robinson <vava_22304 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: [DCRM-L] Citing ESTC
> To: DCRM Revision Group List <dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu>
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> Henry Snyder and Juliet McLaren made a formal
> revised
> submission for ESTC some months ago. I can tell you
> what form they asked for on tomorrow when I have
> access to my work files. As the maintenance editor
> for
> _Standard citations_, I basically insure submissions
> meet the criteria listed in Working Principles and
> the
> final forms get to CDS for an update to _Standard
> citations_ on Catalogers Desktop.
> 
> After I tell you what Henry and Juliet proposed, if
> any of you have objections to the proposed form, I
> suggest that you contact the two of them for further
> deliberation. And, of course, if there is no
> problem,
> I will go ahead with the proposed forms.
> 
> Stay tuned.
> 
> Elizabeth Robinson
> Team Leader
> Rare Book Team
> Special Materials Cataloging Division
> Library of Congress
> erob at loc.gov
> 
> 
> --- "Deborah J. Leslie" <DJLeslie at FOLGER.edu> wrote:
> 
> > Will,
> > 
> > Although I was arguing the other way in the DCRM-L
> > discussion, I have
> > been persuaded by the arguments to just use
> "ESTC,"
> > which is what I've
> > been doing since. One problem I ran across was
> that
> > I access the ESTC
> > database most often through the STAR interface
> > rather than the BL
> > interface, and it just seemed too complicated and
> > not very helpful to
> > try to distinguish between them. 
> > 
> > How about this for a proposal: Use "ESTC" alone in
> > the 510 for any
> > citation of the online database, whether from
> > Blaiseline, RLIN, or the
> > BL, while the CD-ROM and the microfilm versions
> > should be qualified.  
> > 
> > __________________________
> > Deborah J. Leslie, M.A., M.L.S.
> > Head of Cataloging
> > Folger Shakespeare Library
> > 201 East Capitol St., S.E.
> > Washington, D.C. 20003
> > 202.675-0369
> > djleslie at folger.edu | http://www.folger.edu 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu
> > [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On
> > Behalf Of Will Evans
> > Sent: Wednesday, 05 September, 2007 09:44
> > To: 'DCRM Revision Group List'
> > Subject: [DCRM-L] Citing ESTC
> > 
> > Has any consensus been reached as to how we should
> > cite ESTC. I checked
> > the
> > RBMS archives, but I didn't find anything
> > conclusive.
> > 
> > Thanks in advance,
> > 
> > Will
> > 
> > BTW Kudos to all involved in the elegant and
> > user-friendly redesign of
> > the
> > RBMS website!
> > 
> >
>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > Will Evans
> > Rare Materials Catalog Librarian
> > Biography & History Bibliographer
> > Boston Athenaeum
> > 10 1/2 Beacon Street
> > Boston, MA 02108
> >  
> > Telephone: (617) 227-0270, ext. 243
> > Fax: (617) 227-5266
> > http://www.bostonathenaeum.org/
> >  
> >
>
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> Elizabeth Robinson
> vava_22304 at yahoo.com
> 
> 
>        
>
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