[DCRM-L] Citing ESTC

Thu Sep 6 13:10:49 MDT 2007

I absolutely agree about "online", not "on-line", if we are going to
qualify. The hyphenated form is obsolete.

But I also favor more Deborah's solution of yesterday and Richard's
suggestion today--simply "ESTC" with no qualifier.

Bob

Robert L. Maxwell
Special Collections and Ancient Languages Catalog Librarian
Genre/Form Authorities Librarian
6728 Harold B. Lee Library
Brigham Young University
Provo, UT 84602
(801)422-5568 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu]
On
> Behalf Of Deborah J. Leslie
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:37 AM
> To: ElizRob at alum.emory.edu; DCRM Revision Group List
> Subject: RE: RE: [DCRM-L] Citing ESTC
> 
> This makes sense.
> 
> I question the hyphen. Standard citation forms gives Chicago manual of
> style as its authority, and the Chicago manual of style gives the 11th
> ed. Of Webster's collegiate dictionary as its authority for spelling.
> And Webster's has "online.
> 
> We submitted to this authority when writing DCRM(B), and I suggest
that
> SCF also submit to this authority.
> __________________________
> Deborah J. Leslie, M.A., M.L.S.
> Head of Cataloging
> Folger Shakespeare Library
> 201 East Capitol St., S.E.
> Washington, D.C. 20003
> 202.675-0369
> djleslie at folger.edu | http://www.folger.edu
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu]
On
> Behalf Of Elizabeth Robinson
> Sent: Thursday, 06 September, 2007 12:12
> To: dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu
> Subject: Fwd: RE: [DCRM-L] Citing ESTC
> 
> Here's the follow-up. The present proposal is for all
> the old, out-of-date citation forms (BLAISE, RLIN,
> microfiche [both editions], and CD-ROM) to remain
> noted in SCF as background info for present records
> that have such in their 510s (my suggestion). But for
> new work, the citation form would be
> 
> ESTC (on-line)
> 
> As noted yesterday, this was agreed to by Henry Snyder
> and Juliet McLaren, the initial question of what form
> for post-RLIN ESTC raised by Alan Degutis of AAS.
> Moira Goff at BL was also consulted.
> 
> Some rationale from Henry: "It occurs to me there
> might be another alternative, ESTC (online). There are
> several hundred accounts working off our webpage. It
> is the same file, if you like a generic one,
> accessible through two webpages, bl and ucr. This
> would cover both or any other form of access that
> might be devised in the future. What we really want to
> indicate is the information is derived from the online
> access and implicit is the fact that it is under
> constant revision ..."
> 
> Juliet suggested (and Henry later agreed) to the
> hyphenated "on-line".
> 
> I have not yet moved this forward through CPSO and
> CDS, so if there is anything further, Randal, would
> you please cc me at the erob at loc.gov address on the
> final verdict?
> 
> Thanks much.
> 
> 
> Elizabeth Robinson
> Team Leader
> Rare Book Team
> Special Materials Cataloging Division
> Library of Congress
> erob at loc.gov
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Elizabeth Robinson <vava_22304 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 17:48:14 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Elizabeth Robinson <vava_22304 at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: RE: [DCRM-L] Citing ESTC
> > To: DCRM Revision Group List <dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu>
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > Henry Snyder and Juliet McLaren made a formal
> > revised
> > submission for ESTC some months ago. I can tell you
> > what form they asked for on tomorrow when I have
> > access to my work files. As the maintenance editor
> > for
> > _Standard citations_, I basically insure submissions
> > meet the criteria listed in Working Principles and
> > the
> > final forms get to CDS for an update to _Standard
> > citations_ on Catalogers Desktop.
> >
> > After I tell you what Henry and Juliet proposed, if
> > any of you have objections to the proposed form, I
> > suggest that you contact the two of them for further
> > deliberation. And, of course, if there is no
> > problem,
> > I will go ahead with the proposed forms.
> >
> > Stay tuned.
> >
> > Elizabeth Robinson
> > Team Leader
> > Rare Book Team
> > Special Materials Cataloging Division
> > Library of Congress
> > erob at loc.gov
> >
> >
> > --- "Deborah J. Leslie" <DJLeslie at FOLGER.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > Will,
> > >
> > > Although I was arguing the other way in the DCRM-L
> > > discussion, I have
> > > been persuaded by the arguments to just use
> > "ESTC,"
> > > which is what I've
> > > been doing since. One problem I ran across was
> > that
> > > I access the ESTC
> > > database most often through the STAR interface
> > > rather than the BL
> > > interface, and it just seemed too complicated and
> > > not very helpful to
> > > try to distinguish between them.
> > >
> > > How about this for a proposal: Use "ESTC" alone in
> > > the 510 for any
> > > citation of the online database, whether from
> > > Blaiseline, RLIN, or the
> > > BL, while the CD-ROM and the microfilm versions
> > > should be qualified.
> > >
> > > __________________________
> > > Deborah J. Leslie, M.A., M.L.S.
> > > Head of Cataloging
> > > Folger Shakespeare Library
> > > 201 East Capitol St., S.E.
> > > Washington, D.C. 20003
> > > 202.675-0369
> > > djleslie at folger.edu | http://www.folger.edu
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu
> > > [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On
> > > Behalf Of Will Evans
> > > Sent: Wednesday, 05 September, 2007 09:44
> > > To: 'DCRM Revision Group List'
> > > Subject: [DCRM-L] Citing ESTC
> > >
> > > Has any consensus been reached as to how we should
> > > cite ESTC. I checked
> > > the
> > > RBMS archives, but I didn't find anything
> > > conclusive.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > >
> > > Will
> > >
> > > BTW Kudos to all involved in the elegant and
> > > user-friendly redesign of
> > > the
> > > RBMS website!
> > >
> > >
> >
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> > >
> > >
> >
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Elizabeth Robinson
> > vava_22304 at yahoo.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
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