[DCRM-L] Citing ESTC

Thu Sep 6 13:19:03 MDT 2007

I also favor the simpler ESTC" with no qualifer.

If we do have to have a qualifer, I definitely would want "oline" and 
not "on-line."

Elizabeth Johnson

Quoting Robert Maxwell <robert_maxwell at byu.edu>:

> I absolutely agree about "online", not "on-line", if we are going to
> qualify. The hyphenated form is obsolete.
>
> But I also favor more Deborah's solution of yesterday and Richard's
> suggestion today--simply "ESTC" with no qualifier.
>
> Bob
>
>
> Robert L. Maxwell
> Special Collections and Ancient Languages Catalog Librarian
> Genre/Form Authorities Librarian
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu]
> On
>> Behalf Of Deborah J. Leslie
>> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:37 AM
>> To: ElizRob at alum.emory.edu; DCRM Revision Group List
>> Subject: RE: RE: [DCRM-L] Citing ESTC
>>
>> This makes sense.
>>
>> I question the hyphen. Standard citation forms gives Chicago manual of
>> style as its authority, and the Chicago manual of style gives the 11th
>> ed. Of Webster's collegiate dictionary as its authority for spelling.
>> And Webster's has "online.
>>
>> We submitted to this authority when writing DCRM(B), and I suggest
> that
>> SCF also submit to this authority.
>> __________________________
>> Deborah J. Leslie, M.A., M.L.S.
>> Head of Cataloging
>> Folger Shakespeare Library
>> 201 East Capitol St., S.E.
>> Washington, D.C. 20003
>> 202.675-0369
>> djleslie at folger.edu | http://www.folger.edu
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu]
> On
>> Behalf Of Elizabeth Robinson
>> Sent: Thursday, 06 September, 2007 12:12
>> To: dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu
>> Subject: Fwd: RE: [DCRM-L] Citing ESTC
>>
>> Here's the follow-up. The present proposal is for all
>> the old, out-of-date citation forms (BLAISE, RLIN,
>> microfiche [both editions], and CD-ROM) to remain
>> noted in SCF as background info for present records
>> that have such in their 510s (my suggestion). But for
>> new work, the citation form would be
>>
>> ESTC (on-line)
>>
>> As noted yesterday, this was agreed to by Henry Snyder
>> and Juliet McLaren, the initial question of what form
>> for post-RLIN ESTC raised by Alan Degutis of AAS.
>> Moira Goff at BL was also consulted.
>>
>> Some rationale from Henry: "It occurs to me there
>> might be another alternative, ESTC (online). There are
>> several hundred accounts working off our webpage. It
>> is the same file, if you like a generic one,
>> accessible through two webpages, bl and ucr. This
>> would cover both or any other form of access that
>> might be devised in the future. What we really want to
>> indicate is the information is derived from the online
>> access and implicit is the fact that it is under
>> constant revision ..."
>>
>> Juliet suggested (and Henry later agreed) to the
>> hyphenated "on-line".
>>
>> I have not yet moved this forward through CPSO and
>> CDS, so if there is anything further, Randal, would
>> you please cc me at the erob at loc.gov address on the
>> final verdict?
>>
>> Thanks much.
>>
>>
>> Elizabeth Robinson
>> Team Leader
>> Rare Book Team
>> Special Materials Cataloging Division
>> Library of Congress
>> erob at loc.gov
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- Elizabeth Robinson <vava_22304 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 17:48:14 -0700 (PDT)
>> > From: Elizabeth Robinson <vava_22304 at yahoo.com>
>> > Subject: RE: [DCRM-L] Citing ESTC
>> > To: DCRM Revision Group List <dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu>
>> >
>> > Dear all,
>> >
>> > Henry Snyder and Juliet McLaren made a formal
>> > revised
>> > submission for ESTC some months ago. I can tell you
>> > what form they asked for on tomorrow when I have
>> > access to my work files. As the maintenance editor
>> > for
>> > _Standard citations_, I basically insure submissions
>> > meet the criteria listed in Working Principles and
>> > the
>> > final forms get to CDS for an update to _Standard
>> > citations_ on Catalogers Desktop.
>> >
>> > After I tell you what Henry and Juliet proposed, if
>> > any of you have objections to the proposed form, I
>> > suggest that you contact the two of them for further
>> > deliberation. And, of course, if there is no
>> > problem,
>> > I will go ahead with the proposed forms.
>> >
>> > Stay tuned.
>> >
>> > Elizabeth Robinson
>> > Team Leader
>> > Rare Book Team
>> > Special Materials Cataloging Division
>> > Library of Congress
>> > erob at loc.gov
>> >
>> >
>> > --- "Deborah J. Leslie" <DJLeslie at FOLGER.edu> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Will,
>> > >
>> > > Although I was arguing the other way in the DCRM-L
>> > > discussion, I have
>> > > been persuaded by the arguments to just use
>> > "ESTC,"
>> > > which is what I've
>> > > been doing since. One problem I ran across was
>> > that
>> > > I access the ESTC
>> > > database most often through the STAR interface
>> > > rather than the BL
>> > > interface, and it just seemed too complicated and
>> > > not very helpful to
>> > > try to distinguish between them.
>> > >
>> > > How about this for a proposal: Use "ESTC" alone in
>> > > the 510 for any
>> > > citation of the online database, whether from
>> > > Blaiseline, RLIN, or the
>> > > BL, while the CD-ROM and the microfilm versions
>> > > should be qualified.
>> > >
>> > > __________________________
>> > > Deborah J. Leslie, M.A., M.L.S.
>> > > Head of Cataloging
>> > > Folger Shakespeare Library
>> > > 201 East Capitol St., S.E.
>> > > Washington, D.C. 20003
>> > > 202.675-0369
>> > > djleslie at folger.edu | http://www.folger.edu
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu
>> > > [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On
>> > > Behalf Of Will Evans
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, 05 September, 2007 09:44
>> > > To: 'DCRM Revision Group List'
>> > > Subject: [DCRM-L] Citing ESTC
>> > >
>> > > Has any consensus been reached as to how we should
>> > > cite ESTC. I checked
>> > > the
>> > > RBMS archives, but I didn't find anything
>> > > conclusive.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks in advance,
>> > >
>> > > Will
>> > >
>> > > BTW Kudos to all involved in the elegant and
>> > > user-friendly redesign of
>> > > the
>> > > RBMS website!
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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>> > > Rare Materials Catalog Librarian
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>> > >
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>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > Elizabeth Robinson
>> > vava_22304 at yahoo.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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