[DCRM-L] Citing ESTC
Jane Gillis
jane.gillis at yale.edu
Thu Sep 6 13:25:43 MDT 2007
I also vote for just "ESTC" without any qualifier. At Yale, we have
been using the simple "ESTC" since last year when we had to make a
decision of what to do when ESTC in RLIN went away.
Jane
At 03:19 PM 9/6/2007 Thursday-0400, Johnson, Elizabeth L. wrote:
>I also favor the simpler ESTC" with no qualifer.
>
>If we do have to have a qualifer, I definitely would want "oline"
>and not "on-line."
>
>Elizabeth Johnson
>
>Quoting Robert Maxwell <robert_maxwell at byu.edu>:
>
>>I absolutely agree about "online", not "on-line", if we are going to
>>qualify. The hyphenated form is obsolete.
>>
>>But I also favor more Deborah's solution of yesterday and Richard's
>>suggestion today--simply "ESTC" with no qualifier.
>>
>>Bob
>>
>>
>>Robert L. Maxwell
>>Special Collections and Ancient Languages Catalog Librarian
>>Genre/Form Authorities Librarian
>>6728 Harold B. Lee Library
>>Brigham Young University
>>Provo, UT 84602
>>(801)422-5568
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu]
>>On
>>>Behalf Of Deborah J. Leslie
>>>Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:37 AM
>>>To: ElizRob at alum.emory.edu; DCRM Revision Group List
>>>Subject: RE: RE: [DCRM-L] Citing ESTC
>>>
>>>This makes sense.
>>>
>>>I question the hyphen. Standard citation forms gives Chicago manual of
>>>style as its authority, and the Chicago manual of style gives the 11th
>>>ed. Of Webster's collegiate dictionary as its authority for spelling.
>>>And Webster's has "online.
>>>
>>>We submitted to this authority when writing DCRM(B), and I suggest
>>that
>>>SCF also submit to this authority.
>>>__________________________
>>>Deborah J. Leslie, M.A., M.L.S.
>>>Head of Cataloging
>>>Folger Shakespeare Library
>>>201 East Capitol St., S.E.
>>>Washington, D.C. 20003
>>>202.675-0369
>>>djleslie at folger.edu | http://www.folger.edu
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu]
>>On
>>>Behalf Of Elizabeth Robinson
>>>Sent: Thursday, 06 September, 2007 12:12
>>>To: dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu
>>>Subject: Fwd: RE: [DCRM-L] Citing ESTC
>>>
>>>Here's the follow-up. The present proposal is for all
>>>the old, out-of-date citation forms (BLAISE, RLIN,
>>>microfiche [both editions], and CD-ROM) to remain
>>>noted in SCF as background info for present records
>>>that have such in their 510s (my suggestion). But for
>>>new work, the citation form would be
>>>
>>>ESTC (on-line)
>>>
>>>As noted yesterday, this was agreed to by Henry Snyder
>>>and Juliet McLaren, the initial question of what form
>>>for post-RLIN ESTC raised by Alan Degutis of AAS.
>>>Moira Goff at BL was also consulted.
>>>
>>>Some rationale from Henry: "It occurs to me there
>>>might be another alternative, ESTC (online). There are
>>>several hundred accounts working off our webpage. It
>>>is the same file, if you like a generic one,
>>>accessible through two webpages, bl and ucr. This
>>>would cover both or any other form of access that
>>>might be devised in the future. What we really want to
>>>indicate is the information is derived from the online
>>>access and implicit is the fact that it is under
>>>constant revision ..."
>>>
>>>Juliet suggested (and Henry later agreed) to the
>>>hyphenated "on-line".
>>>
>>>I have not yet moved this forward through CPSO and
>>>CDS, so if there is anything further, Randal, would
>>>you please cc me at the erob at loc.gov address on the
>>>final verdict?
>>>
>>>Thanks much.
>>>
>>>
>>>Elizabeth Robinson
>>>Team Leader
>>>Rare Book Team
>>>Special Materials Cataloging Division
>>>Library of Congress
>>>erob at loc.gov
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--- Elizabeth Robinson <vava_22304 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 17:48:14 -0700 (PDT)
>>> > From: Elizabeth Robinson <vava_22304 at yahoo.com>
>>> > Subject: RE: [DCRM-L] Citing ESTC
>>> > To: DCRM Revision Group List <dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu>
>>> >
>>> > Dear all,
>>> >
>>> > Henry Snyder and Juliet McLaren made a formal
>>> > revised
>>> > submission for ESTC some months ago. I can tell you
>>> > what form they asked for on tomorrow when I have
>>> > access to my work files. As the maintenance editor
>>> > for
>>> > _Standard citations_, I basically insure submissions
>>> > meet the criteria listed in Working Principles and
>>> > the
>>> > final forms get to CDS for an update to _Standard
>>> > citations_ on Catalogers Desktop.
>>> >
>>> > After I tell you what Henry and Juliet proposed, if
>>> > any of you have objections to the proposed form, I
>>> > suggest that you contact the two of them for further
>>> > deliberation. And, of course, if there is no
>>> > problem,
>>> > I will go ahead with the proposed forms.
>>> >
>>> > Stay tuned.
>>> >
>>> > Elizabeth Robinson
>>> > Team Leader
>>> > Rare Book Team
>>> > Special Materials Cataloging Division
>>> > Library of Congress
>>> > erob at loc.gov
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --- "Deborah J. Leslie" <DJLeslie at FOLGER.edu> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Will,
>>> > >
>>> > > Although I was arguing the other way in the DCRM-L
>>> > > discussion, I have
>>> > > been persuaded by the arguments to just use
>>> > "ESTC,"
>>> > > which is what I've
>>> > > been doing since. One problem I ran across was
>>> > that
>>> > > I access the ESTC
>>> > > database most often through the STAR interface
>>> > > rather than the BL
>>> > > interface, and it just seemed too complicated and
>>> > > not very helpful to
>>> > > try to distinguish between them.
>>> > >
>>> > > How about this for a proposal: Use "ESTC" alone in
>>> > > the 510 for any
>>> > > citation of the online database, whether from
>>> > > Blaiseline, RLIN, or the
>>> > > BL, while the CD-ROM and the microfilm versions
>>> > > should be qualified.
>>> > >
>>> > > __________________________
>>> > > Deborah J. Leslie, M.A., M.L.S.
>>> > > Head of Cataloging
>>> > > Folger Shakespeare Library
>>> > > 201 East Capitol St., S.E.
>>> > > Washington, D.C. 20003
>>> > > 202.675-0369
>>> > > djleslie at folger.edu | http://www.folger.edu
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > -----Original Message-----
>>> > > From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu
>>> > > [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On
>>> > > Behalf Of Will Evans
>>> > > Sent: Wednesday, 05 September, 2007 09:44
>>> > > To: 'DCRM Revision Group List'
>>> > > Subject: [DCRM-L] Citing ESTC
>>> > >
>>> > > Has any consensus been reached as to how we should
>>> > > cite ESTC. I checked
>>> > > the
>>> > > RBMS archives, but I didn't find anything
>>> > > conclusive.
>>> > >
>>> > > Thanks in advance,
>>> > >
>>> > > Will
>>> > >
>>> > > BTW Kudos to all involved in the elegant and
>>> > > user-friendly redesign of
>>> > > the
>>> > > RBMS website!
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>> > > Will Evans
>>> > > Rare Materials Catalog Librarian
>>> > > Biography & History Bibliographer
>>> > > Boston Athenaeum
>>> > > 10 1/2 Beacon Street
>>> > > Boston, MA 02108
>>> > >
>>> > > Telephone: (617) 227-0270, ext. 243
>>> > > Fax: (617) 227-5266
>>> > > http://www.bostonathenaeum.org/
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Elizabeth Robinson
>>> > vava_22304 at yahoo.com
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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