[DCRM-L] use of SD early works under SH Jesus Christ

[Kate Moriarty]

Thanks. The subject of discussion for us has been Section 5 below and its
application to corporate bodies (like Catholic Church). Some interpret
Section 5 to say never put "Early works to 1800" after a corporate body,
others that when there's a $x included the SH as a unit becomes a topic and
can therefore be followed by "Early works to 1800."

-Kate

On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Deborah J. Leslie <DJLeslie at folger.edu>wrote:

>  I don't know; I've never found the instructions that difficult to
> understand, but suspect that a lot of catalogers are unaware that there is a
> section in the subject cataloging manual exactly covering issues relating to
> early works. Beware, especially, of following ESTC practice for guidance;
> they put it on everything whether it's allowed or not. At the Folger, we use
> it for printed materials whenever it applies and is allowed. And of course
> it appears on thousands of records loaded directly from the ESTC that we
> have not yet corrected. Personally, I disagree with the SCM about the
> passage of time being of little consequence, except possibly directly with
> personal names and works of belles lettres. But I still toe the line on this
> one.
>
>
>
> Here's the pertinent parts of SCM H 1576:
>
>
>
> *1. General rule**.*  Use the subdivision –*Early works to 1800* as a
> free-floating form subdivision under all appropriate headings, including
> those assigned to maps of all types, to designate individual works written
> or issued before 1800.  For exceptions to this rule, see sec. 5<http://desktop.loc.gov/nxt/gateway.dll?f=qlhitlist$qlhitlist_x=Advanced$qlhitlist_vpc=first$qlhitlist_xsl=querylink.xsl$qlhitlist_sel=title;path;content-type;home-title$qlhitlist_d=%7Bscmshm%7D$qlhitlist_q=%5Bfield%20folio-destination-name:%27H%201576%20sec%205%27%5D$qlhitlist_md=target-id=H%201576%20sec%205>,
> below.
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> *5. When to omit the subdivision**.*  Do not use the subdivision in
> situations for which the passage of time is of little consequence, including
> the following:
>
> ·   under names of persons, corporate bodies (except for geographic names),
> or individual works (except sacred works)
>
> ·   historical works; chronologies
>
> ·   under headings with dates, or period subdivisions; under headings with
> period qualifiers, for example, *Science, Ancient*
>
> ·   works of belles lettres; works about belles lettres
>
>
>
> If it should be necessary because of the special nature of the material to
> make an exception to any of the above categories, establish the particular
> heading-subdivision combination in the subject authority file.
>
>
>
> Omit the subdivision when cataloging a commentary on an early work, when
> the commentary requires companion headings as described in H 1435, sec. 2<http://desktop.loc.gov/nxt/gateway.dll?f=qlhitlist$qlhitlist_x=Advanced$qlhitlist_vpc=first$qlhitlist_xsl=querylink.xsl$qlhitlist_sel=title;path;content-type;home-title$qlhitlist_d=%7Bscmshm%7D$qlhitlist_q=%5Bfield%20folio-destination-name:%27H%201435%20sec%202%27%5D$qlhitlist_md=target-id=H%201435%20sec%202>
> .
>
>
>
> Do not use this subdivision under headings for musical compositions.  For
> instructions on the use of period subdivisions for musical compositions, see
> H 1160<http://desktop.loc.gov/nxt/gateway.dll?f=qlhitlist$qlhitlist_x=Advanced$qlhitlist_vpc=first$qlhitlist_xsl=querylink.xsl$qlhitlist_sel=title;path;content-type;home-title$qlhitlist_d=%7Bscmshm%7D$qlhitlist_q=%5Bfield%20folio-destination-name:%27H%201160%27%5D$qlhitlist_md=target-id=H%201160>
> .
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> *From:* dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] *On
> Behalf Of *Kate Moriarty
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 10 March, 2009 12:24
> *To:* DCRM Revision Group List
> *Subject:* Re: [DCRM-L] use of SD early works under SH Jesus Christ
>
>
>
> This is very helpful. The same instructions for personal names applies to
> corporate names and we've had several discussions at SLU about the use of
> "$v Early works to 1800" with corporate headings that also have a $x, for
> instance, Catholic Church $x Government or Catholic Church $x Doctrines.
> Some of the catalogers have been leaving out the "$v Early works to 1800" in
> OCLC but inserting it in our local system. OCLC practice varies. It makes
> sense to me, however, that the SH with a $x would then be seen as a unit and
> could be considered topical, at which point "$v Early works to 1800" would
> be authorized. It's a case of cataloger's judgment but we would be grateful
> to hear how others proceed.
>
> -Kate
>
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Nickeson, Walter <
> wnickeson at library.rochester.edu> wrote:
>
> I think that the combination of subfields "[personal name] $x [subject
> subdivision]" can be considered, as a unit, to be a "topical heading," and
> can therefore be followed by "$v Early works to 1800." What isn't allowed is
> the simple combination "[personal name] $v Early works to 1800." "Jesus
> Christ--Passion" is a topic in a way that "Jesus Christ" is not. Exactly how
> that is, perhaps someone else can explain.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On
> Behalf Of silvanan at mptek.net
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 5:09 PM
> To: DCRM-L
> Subject: [DCRM-L] use of SD early works under SH Jesus Christ
>
> Simple question:
> Can the SD "Early works to 1800" be used under the SH Jesus
> Christ|Subdivision (Passion, Divinity. etc.)
> It is authorized under Jesus Christ|vBiography, but that seems to be the
> only one specified.
> Rules say not to use it under names of persons, but I'm not sure if that
> applies to notable religious figures
> and practice is inconsistent just about everywhere I've checked.
>
> Thanks
> -Silvana
>
>
>
>
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