[DCRM-L] transcription of info following curly bracket

Thu Feb 18 08:29:11 MST 2010

I don’t think “Chez” bears repeating, in part because the curly brace is really just a mark of punctuation akin to a colon, the equivalent of “Chez: AB at the sign of the Three White Leopards; CD at the Aged Eagle; ...” (well, yesterday was Ash Wednesday).

The whole typographic arrangement is designed specifically to avoid repetition of “Chez”, and I think we should respect its purpose and always transcribe “Chez” once, no matter how many booksellers it applies to. The multi-line brace and the disposition of type together constitute a meaningful graphic feature that can’t be transcribed but can easily be described in a note.

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From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Eduardo Tenenbaum
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What happens when, as in Annie’s case, there are 6 names on the other side of the left brace? I can see supplying “Chez” once (i.e., when two names are listed). With three or more names, supplying a second or more “Chez” could look silly, especially when the explanatory note is included.

From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Randal Brandt
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 5:13 PM
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Since I actually did catalog this particular example, here's how I did it:

A Paris : $b Chez Brunet, libraire, rue de Marivaux, au Théâtre italien : $b [Chez] Vente, libraire des menus plaisirs du roi, rue des Anglois, près celle des Noyers, $c MDCCLXXXIII [1783]

What I did not do, however, was make the note. I'll correct that oversight. This is a fairly common occurrence in French imprints (I'm not so sure about other languages), with the individual publishers or booksellers not grammatically linked in any way except the "Chez" and a brace.

It will be great to include this and similar types of examples in Examples to Accompany DCRM(B)!

Randy

Deborah J. Leslie wrote: 

Yes, Eduardo's right. In that case, I would supply the second Chez in square brackets as the first word of the second ‡b, and make a note. 

From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Eduardo Tenenbaum
Sent: Friday, 12 February, 2010 16:47
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I think Stephen is right, except the second bookseller would be transcribed as a subsequent statement, i.e. separated by a space-colon-space, yes?

(In the example there’s a full stop after the first bookseller.)

Eduardo Tenenbaum

Princeton University

From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Stephen A Skuce
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 4:36 PM
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I don't think we've included a rule for this, and I can't remember why not, but the practice is pretty clear, I think.

You definitely would not transcribe "Chez" more than once; it only appears once.

I would give the 260 roughly as:

$b Chez Brunet Libraire … , Vente Libraire …,  $c MDCCLXXXIII [1783]

and definitely include a note:

500     On title page, the publishers are gathered by a left brace, relating each name to the word "chez."

Stephen

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From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Ann W. Copeland
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All,

I remember talking about this question at the time of DCRM(B) publication, but can't locate the rule. 

In a situation where Chez appears once but is clearly meant to apply to both names following a left curly bracket, would we supply [Chez] in transcribing the second name? 

Randy Brandt has supplied a link to an example (THANKS, Randy): 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7321780@N05/3927303845/in/set-72157608697679123 

(Attn: Nina and Eduardo - This would be a good discussion point for the Examples to Accompany DCRM(B). I have a book with six names following a left curly bracket!)

Thanks,

Annie Copeland
Penn State University 

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