[DCRM-L] transcription of info following curly bracket

Thu Feb 18 09:41:20 MST 2010

Even though in cataloging we are primarily intent on transcribing content, there are nevertheless provisions for the cataloger to interpret meaning conveyed visually on the resource. Richard's choice and mine are both perfectly valid for Randy's example, but I would caution against trying to come up with a principle or even a rule of thumb, but apply judgment to each such situation on its own merits. For example, I would probably not repeat the "chez" if the printer information was given in a single clause instead of two. 

I'm sure this is why we decided to refrain from making a rule about it.  

By the way, a note is optional regardless of whether the second "chez" is supplied. Here's an idea for the new Examples: have the cataloging examples represent a variety of options. We would be doing ourselves a disservice if every example was full-on bells and whistles. 

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From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Noble, Richard
Sent: Thursday, 18 February, 2010 10:29
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I don’t think “Chez” bears repeating, in part because the curly brace is really just a mark of punctuation akin to a colon, the equivalent of “Chez: AB at the sign of the Three White Leopards; CD at the Aged Eagle; ...” (well, yesterday was Ash Wednesday).

The whole typographic arrangement is designed specifically to avoid repetition of “Chez”, and I think we should respect its purpose and always transcribe “Chez” once, no matter how many booksellers it applies to. The multi-line brace and the disposition of type together constitute a meaningful graphic feature that can’t be transcribed but can easily be described in a note.

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From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Eduardo Tenenbaum
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 9:42 AM
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What happens when, as in Annie’s case, there are 6 names on the other side of the left brace? I can see supplying “Chez” once (i.e., when two names are listed). With three or more names, supplying a second or more “Chez” could look silly, especially when the explanatory note is included.

From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Randal Brandt
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 5:13 PM
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Since I actually did catalog this particular example, here's how I did it:

A Paris : $b Chez Brunet, libraire, rue de Marivaux, au Théâtre italien : $b [Chez] Vente, libraire des menus plaisirs du roi, rue des Anglois, près celle des Noyers, $c MDCCLXXXIII [1783]

What I did not do, however, was make the note. I'll correct that oversight. This is a fairly common occurrence in French imprints (I'm not so sure about other languages), with the individual publishers or booksellers not grammatically linked in any way except the "Chez" and a brace.

It will be great to include this and similar types of examples in Examples to Accompany DCRM(B)!

Randy

Deborah J. Leslie wrote: 

Yes, Eduardo's right. In that case, I would supply the second Chez in square brackets as the first word of the second ‡b, and make a note. 

From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Eduardo Tenenbaum
Sent: Friday, 12 February, 2010 16:47
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I think Stephen is right, except the second bookseller would be transcribed as a subsequent statement, i.e. separated by a space-colon-space, yes?

(In the example there’s a full stop after the first bookseller.)

Eduardo Tenenbaum

Princeton University

From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Stephen A Skuce
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 4:36 PM
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I don't think we've included a rule for this, and I can't remember why not, but the practice is pretty clear, I think.

You definitely would not transcribe "Chez" more than once; it only appears once.

I would give the 260 roughly as:

$b Chez Brunet Libraire … , Vente Libraire …,  $c MDCCLXXXIII [1783]

and definitely include a note:

500     On title page, the publishers are gathered by a left brace, relating each name to the word "chez."

Stephen

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From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Ann W. Copeland
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 4:02 PM
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All,

I remember talking about this question at the time of DCRM(B) publication, but can't locate the rule. 

In a situation where Chez appears once but is clearly meant to apply to both names following a left curly bracket, would we supply [Chez] in transcribing the second name? 

Randy Brandt has supplied a link to an example (THANKS, Randy): 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7321780@N05/3927303845/in/set-72157608697679123 

(Attn: Nina and Eduardo - This would be a good discussion point for the Examples to Accompany DCRM(B). I have a book with six names following a left curly bracket!)

Thanks,

Annie Copeland
Penn State University 

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