[DCRM-L] Symbol used in preliminary signatures

[Barbara Tysinger]

Unfortunately, no. The portrait is printed on heavier paper than the 
rest of the text, and the chain lines are horizontal, not vertical.

The catalog record for the copy at the Biblioteca Nacional de España 
also shows a missing leaf in the P signature.
http://catalogo.bne.es/uhtbin/cgisirsi/JeBAryrR57/BNMADRID/39930044/9
Their notation: " Sign.: [ ]⁸, A-O⁸, P⁸⁻¹ "


On 4/16/2014 4:19 PM, Noble, Richard wrote:
> If P8 can't be identified with a blank leaf (there seem to have been 
> blanks at the end of the copy reproduced in the online pdf), the 
> better notation when dealing with a single copy is "P^8(P8 missing, 
> blank?)"--a little tactic that Bowers suggests, out of the proper 
> place for such a suggestion, on p. 118 of /Principles/. Is there any 
> chance that it's the leaf on which the portrait was printed?
>
> Richard
>
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>
> On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 3:47 PM, Barbara Tysinger 
> <btysingr at email.unc.edu <mailto:btysingr at email.unc.edu>> wrote:
>
>     Thanks, Richard! (and others!)
>
>     I have the final signature (without the frontispiece or other
>     plates) as: pi⁸ A-O⁸ P⁸ (-P8)
>     I hadn't included the " P⁸ (-P8) " in my earlier message because I
>     didn't want to cloud the issue unnecessarily.
>
>     Barbara
>
>     PS. I wish I could go back to Rare Book School (I was there in
>     2011 for the Rare Books Cataloging course and loved every
>     minute!), but after I finish cataloging this group of books, I'm
>     less likely to encounter many non-standard collations.
>
>
>
>     On 4/16/2014 3:01 PM, Noble, Richard wrote:
>>     As a general rule, the collational formula concerns only those
>>     portions of the text that passed through the printing press. In
>>     particular, engravings on separate leaves--not printed on an
>>     "integral" leaf, that is, a leaf that forms part of the printed
>>     sheets--are to be separately accounted for. In a case like yours,
>>     I'd note
>>
>>     8vo: [pi]^8 A-P^8 [$2 signed]; 128 leaves, pages [I-II] III-XVI,
>>     1-237 [238-240] + frontispiece portrait and 4 plates ('Lam.
>>     1a'-'Lam. 4a')
>>
>>     This may be wrong in detail--the online pdf loads too slowly to
>>     be repeatedly scanned for details--but the final gathering /is/
>>     P, not O. The portrait could just as well face the title page as
>>     the first page of text--that's probably a copy-specific matter
>>     (to oversimplify a little too radically, printed sheets are the
>>     fixed stars, plates are planets--wandering stars).
>>
>>     Time to review chapter five of Bowers' /Principles/, and see
>>     whether you can get some funding (or a scholarship) for Rare Book
>>     School course G-10, aka Bibliography Boot Camp.
>>
>>     RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY
>>     BROWN UNIVERSITY  ::  PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912  :: 401-863-1187
>>     <tel:401-863-1187>
>>     <Richard_Noble at Br <mailto:RICHARD_NOBLE at BROWN.EDU>own.edu
>>     <http://own.edu>>
>>
>>
>>     On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Barbara Tysinger
>>     <btysingr at email.unc.edu <mailto:btysingr at email.unc.edu>> wrote:
>>
>>         Good afternoon!
>>
>>         The latest in my series of signature queries...
>>
>>         I have a book in octavo, the preliminaries are in a single
>>         gathering, completely unsigned, followed by an engraved
>>         frontispiece singleton (also unsigned), and then the main
>>         text block, with the title page being A1.
>>
>>         My question, should the frontispiece singleton be recorded in
>>         the signature statement as: " pi⁸ chi1 A-O⁸ "  or as " pi⁸
>>         2pi1 A-O⁸ "? Or as something else?
>>
>>         The book in question is:
>>
>>             /Tratado de las operaciones que deben practicarse en la
>>             dentadura, y método para conservaria en buen estado/ ...
>>             by Félix Pérez Arroyo. Madrid: Franganillo, 1799.
>>
>>             http://bdh-rd.bne.es/viewer.vm?id=0000081979&page=1
>>
>>         Thanks!
>>
>>         Barbara
>>         ...................All opinions are entirely my
>>         own....................
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
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