[DCRM-L] Preferred Source of Information -- No title page -- Same title proper available in more than one source

[Allison Jai O'Dell]

Doesn't this really depend on the type of material?  (e.g., colophon for an
incunable, cover title for a diary)

I am inclined to extend the list of "other resources" in RDA 2.2.2 with
lots of "rare materials" (different formats, different time periods).

And yes, I did just propose a lot of work for you guys.  ;-)


Allison

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Lapka, Francis <francis.lapka at yale.edu>
wrote:

>  Erin,
>
>  Correct. The issue is in the context of resources consisting of more
> than one page, leaf, sheet or card. For Graphics (still images) --
> including those on more than one sheet -- our provisional guidelines steer
> close to DCRM(G).
>
>  Francis
>
>
>
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> *From:* dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] on behalf
> of Erin Blake [EBlake at FOLGER.edu]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:33 AM
>
> *To:* DCRM Users' Group
> *Subject:* Re: [DCRM-L] Preferred Source of Information -- No title page
> -- Same title proper available in more than one source
>
>   Francis, can you confirm that we're only talking about formats where a
> title page would normally be the chief source of information?
>
>
>
> In DCRM(Graphics), it wouldn't matter if the same title appeared in more
> than one place on the resource. You'd just pick one and make the
> always-mandatory source-of-title note.
>
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>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Erin.
>
>
>
> *From:* dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] *On
> Behalf Of *Bryan, Anna
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 9:20 AM
> *To:* 'DCRM Users' Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [DCRM-L] Preferred Source of Information -- No title page
> -- Same title proper available in more than one source
>
>
>
> I think a rare reason might be the special needs of incunabula, many of
> which have no title pages. I have taken titles from first lines of text,
> incipits, the colophon/explicit, prologues, tables, etc.
>
>
>
> Anna Bryan
>
> Senior Cataloger
>
> Rare Materials Section
>
> U.S. Anglo Division
>
> Library of Congress
>
>
>
> I speak only for myself.
>
>
>
> *From:* dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] *On
> Behalf Of *Robert Maxwell
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 9:05 AM
> *To:* dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [DCRM-L] Preferred Source of Information -- No title page
> -- Same title proper available in more than one source
>
>
>
> If a difference like this does remain in DCRM it needs to be justified by
> a *rare* reason, and not just be there because we think it's a good idea.
> I'm having a hard time seeing a requirement arising from the fact that
> we're cataloging rare materials that makes us depart from RDA on this
> particular issue.
>
> Bob
>
> Robert L. Maxwell
> Ancient Languages and Special Collections Cataloger
> 6728 Harold B. Lee Library
> Brigham Young University
> Provo, UT 84602
> (801)422-5568
>
> "We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine ourselves
> to the course which has been heretofore pursued"--Eliza R. Snow, 1842.
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu <dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu> on behalf
> of Lapka, Francis <francis.lapka at yale.edu>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 5:55:36 AM
> *To:* dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu
> *Subject:* [DCRM-L] Preferred Source of Information -- No title page --
> Same title proper available in more than one source
>
>
>
>
>
> I’d like community input on the matter of the preferred source of
> information for resources **lacking a title page.**
>
>
>
> All DCRM modules are compatible with the idea expressed in DCRM(B) 0C3: “
> … if a single title proper
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__desktop.loc.gov_search-3Fview-3Ddocument-26doc-5Faction-3Dsetdoc-26doc-5Fkeytype-3Dfoliodestination-26doc-5Fkey-3DdcrmbTitleSPACEproperSLASHglossary-26hash-3DTitleSPACEproperSLASHglossary-26fq-3Dallresources-257Ctrue&d=AwMFAg&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=t7GDkvcZa922K6iya7a6MxgVxxw7OjL0m1rPBXkflk4&m=BjeXZmLm1Jw9h2eF77smVbkjBumEpXxyXRcSHJ8uXxo&s=AVxnDydtRPSjomcJ5Fi6TKLUxFOIUpBL5g4DZSLP9_Q&e=> is
> available in a single source within the publication, use this source as the
> title page substitute.”
>
>
>
> All are also compatible with the idea of an ordered list of preferred
> sources when (quoting B) “different titles, or differing forms of the same
> title, appear within the publication.”
>
>
>
> When, however, “the **same title proper** is available in more than one
> source within the resource” there is a noteworthy difference. In Serials,
> this condition is not treated separately from that in which differing
> titles appear. That is, Serials prescribes the ordered list of preferred
> sources. The Serials approach mimics that of RDA (see 2.2.2.2).
>
>
>
> For this condition, the other DCRM modules say to choose “the source that
> supplies the most additional information” – an idea entirely absent from
> RDA. If the next version of DCRM maintains this guideline, it would
> represent a major departure from RDA. Is this variation justifiable?
>
>
>
> (I don’t yet have an opinion on the matter.)
>
>
>
> Francis
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> Francis Lapka  ·  Catalog Librarian
>
> Department of Rare Books and Manuscripts
>
> Yale Center for British Art
>
> 203.432.9672  ·  francis.lapka at yale.edu
>
>
>
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