[DCRM-L] Leader 008: Gov't Pub. (Melissa Harris)
Piscitelli, Felicia A
f-piscitelli at library.tamu.edu
Tue Aug 11 09:43:03 MDT 2020
Hi Melissa,
Sorry if my message was confusing. I just wanted to give examples of similar situations I struggle with.
Best,
Felicia
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Thank you. I didn't mean to oversimplify, but I am in the midst of cataloging several large volume collections and they seem to all be generated, or at least produced, as a function of the government. Such as Descriptions Des Arts Metiers and Description de L'Egypte. I was just not sure if I should consider these types of records "government publications" or not.
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3. Re: Leader 008: Gov't Pub. (Deborah J. Leslie)
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 17:42:07 -0400
From: Bob Kosovsky <bobkosovsky at nypl.org<mailto:bobkosovsky at nypl.org>>
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> I really like the idea of using ?Noble savage stereotype? and ?Noble
savage stereotype in literature,?
By adopting those terms as subject headings I feel that one is perpetuating
the stereotype.
If there is someone on this list who has Native American or First Nations
ancestry, I would like to hear their thoughts. I think there has to be a
better way.
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 14:50:03 -0700
From: Jessie Sherwood <jcsherwood at law.berkeley.edu<mailto:jcsherwood at law.berkeley.edu>>
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Avec approbation & privilege du roi would indicate that the
printer/publisher had the right to print/publish a particular book and that
said book had cleared the censors, not that the book in question was
published by or for the government. If memory serves the *Oxford Companion
to the Book* has entries on privileges and censorship.
Not all art in the Middle Ages was church sponsored (some of it was even
produced by and for non-Christians).
Regards,
Jessie
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 at 12:34, Melissa Harris <melissa at osgf.org<mailto:melissa at osgf.org>> wrote:
> Hi,
> I am wondering what the consensus is on labeling bibliographic records as
> a government publication when they are published: "Avec Approbation &
> Privilege du Roi," and when they are created by royal academies, or by
> request of the royal leadership or government? It would seem that nearly
> everything would be deemed a government publication during certain epochs,
> sort of like all art being church-sponsored during the Middle Ages.
> Thank you for your intelligence on this.
>
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 14:25:29 +0000
From: "Deborah J. Leslie" <DJLeslie at FOLGER.edu>
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Ditto. A very blunt rule of thumb off the top of my head is that if it doesn't have government main entry, it's probably not a government publication. As Jessie says, privileges and imprimaturs mean something else.
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Avec approbation & privilege du roi would indicate that the printer/publisher had the right to print/publish a particular book and that said book had cleared the censors, not that the book in question was published by or for the government. If memory serves the Oxford Companion to the Book has entries on privileges and censorship.
Not all art in the Middle Ages was church sponsored (some of it was even produced by and for non-Christians).
Regards,
Jessie
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 at 12:34, Melissa Harris <melissa at osgf.org<mailto:melissa at osgf.org><mailto:melissa at osgf.org<mailto:melissa at osgf.org>>> wrote:
Hi,
I am wondering what the consensus is on labeling bibliographic records as a government publication when they are published: "Avec Approbation & Privilege du Roi," and when they are created by royal academies, or by request of the royal leadership or government? It would seem that nearly everything would be deemed a government publication during certain epochs, sort of like all art being church-sponsored during the Middle Ages.
Thank you for your intelligence on this.
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