[DCRM-L] multivolume sets with signatures

Melissa Harris melissa at osgf.org
Fri Jul 24 11:15:31 MDT 2020 

Thank you, this has been really helpful.

Melissa J. Harris, MLIS, MA
Library Database and Catalogue Specialist
Oak Spring Garden Foundation

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 12:36 PM <dcrm-l-request at lib.byu.edu> wrote:

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> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 12:23:21 -0400
> From: "Rich, Allison" <allison_rich at brown.edu>
> To: "DCRM Users' Group" <dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] multivolume sets with signatures
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> It gets klunky and long no matter what. But it?s what we do, eh?
>
> We separate our separate volume / part notes with semi colons instead of
> double dashes. The JCB has always had two separate notes for pagination and
> signatures when describing a multipart entity.
>
> Have fun,
> Allison
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 11:08 Erin Blake <erin.blake.folger at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Could be worse, you could have the 37-volume edition ;)
> >
> > I like Allison Rich's example of two 500 notes, one that begins
> > "Pagination:" and one that begins "Signatures:".
> >
> > When it's all in the same 500 note, it's harder to figure out, because
> > users are accustomed to seeing the label at the start of a Signatures
> note.
> > See http://hamnet.folger.edu/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?BBID=174459 for an
> > example of one that, in retrospect, would probably have benefitted from
> > having separate notes.
> >
> > And just in case someone at the Folger does go back and edit it, here's
> > what's there as of 2020-07-24, for the benefit of anyone reading this in
> > the DCRM-L Archives:
> >
> > Vol. 1. Signatures: A?? (-A12) B?? C? D-T??. Pagination: [2], li, [5],
> > 383, [1] p., [7] leaves of plates -- v. 2. Signatures: A-Q??. Pagination:
> > 384 p., [5] leaves of plates -- v. 3. Signatures: A-T??; T12 blank.
> > Pagination: 454 p., [5] leaves of plates -- v. 4. Signatures: A-T?? U??
> > (-U11-12). Pagination: 476 p., [5] leaves of plates -- v. 5. Signatures:
> > A-R??. Pagination: 408 p., [4] leaves of plates -- v. 6. Signatures:
> A-P??.
> > Pagination: 360 p., [4] leaves of plates -- v. 7. A-P?? Q?. Pagination:
> > 371, [1] p., [4] leaves of plates -- v. 8. Signatures: A-S?? T-Z? 2A?
> > (-2A6). Pagination: 427, [75] p., [4] leaves of plates -- v. 9.
> Signatures:
> > A-S??. Pagination: 426, [6] p., [7] leaves of plates -- v. 10.
> Signatures:
> > A? B-U??. Pagination: xii, 453, [3] p., [2] leaves of plates.
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Erin.
> >
> >
> > ______________________
> > Erin Blake, Ph.D.  |  Senior Cataloger  |  Folger Shakespeare Library  |
> > 201 E. Capitol St. SE, Washington, DC, 20003  |  eblake at folger.edu  |
> > www.folger.edu
> > <
> https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/-t5RCjRgpBtArRXC7R7_2?domain=urldefense.com
> >
> >   |  Pronouns: she/her/hers
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 10:47 AM Rich, Allison <allison_rich at brown.edu>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I have catalogued these volumes.
> >> They are absolutely beautiful.
> >>
> >> What we do is to put in two separate 500 notes:
> >>
> >> 500 Pagination: v. 1: ... etc.
> >> 500 Signatures: v. 1: ... etc.
> >>
> >> Enjoy cataloguing this beautiful set.
> >> Allison
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 10:39 Melissa Harris <melissa at osgf.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Good morning,
> >>> I am new to this digest. I am working on a 23 volume set of rare
> books, "Description
> >>> de l'E?gypte, ou, Recueil de observations et des recherches qui ont
> e?te?
> >>> faites en E?gypte pendant l'e?xpe?dition de l'arme?e franc?aise...."
> The
> >>> library wants to catalog them as one bibliographic record, but each
> book
> >>> has it's own unique and lengthy signature, which the library wants to
> be
> >>> expressed within the record. What is the best way to catalog these
> >>> multivolume collections? The 505 field seems awkward to me, the field
> would
> >>> be so large and cumbersome. I appreciate your input.
> >>> Best,
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> *Melissa J. Harris, MLIS, MA*
> >>> Library Database and Catalogue Specialist
> >>> ???????????????????????????
> >>> *Oak Spring Garden Foundation*
> >>> 540-592-3284 <(540)%20592-7068>
> >>> 1776 Loughborough Lane
> >>> <
> https://maps.google.com/?q=1776+Loughborough+LaneUpperville,+VA&entry=gmail&source=g
> >
> >>> Upperville, VA 20184
> >>> <
> https://maps.google.com/?q=1776+Loughborough+LaneUpperville,+VA&entry=gmail&source=g
> >
> >>> www.OSGF.org <http://www.osgf.org/>
> >>>
> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/OakSpringGardenFoundation/>
> >>> <https://twitter.com/oak_spring>
> >>> <https://www.instagram.com/oakspringgardenfoundation/>
> >>>
> >> --
> >> ********************************
> >> "Outside of a dog,
> >> a book is probably man's best friend,
> >> and inside of a dog,
> >> it's too dark to read.
> >> - Groucho Marx"
> >>
> >> Allison Rich
> >> Rare Materials Cataloguer
> >>
> >> ESTC and NACO Coordinator
> >>
> >> John Carter Brown Library
> >> Providence, Rhode Island
> >> Allison_Rich at brown.edu
> >> ********************************
> >>
> >> --
> ********************************
> "Outside of a dog,
> a book is probably man's best friend,
> and inside of a dog,
> it's too dark to read.
> - Groucho Marx"
>
> Allison Rich
> Rare Materials Cataloguer
>
> ESTC and NACO Coordinator
>
> John Carter Brown Library
> Providence, Rhode Island
> Allison_Rich at brown.edu
> ********************************
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> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 09:35:23 -0700
> From: "Randal S. BRANDT" <rbrandt at library.berkeley.edu>
> To: "DCRM Users' Group" <dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] multivolume sets with signatures
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> I concur with Allison's method. At the Bancroft Library, we do the same
> thing with multi-volume sets: two separate 500 notes, prefaced by
> "Pagination" and "Signatures", respectively.
>
> Ah, how I miss doing collation ... no opportunities for that from home
> (sigh).
>
> Randy
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 9:23 AM Rich, Allison <allison_rich at brown.edu>
> wrote:
>
> > It gets klunky and long no matter what. But it?s what we do, eh?
> >
> > We separate our separate volume / part notes with semi colons instead of
> > double dashes. The JCB has always had two separate notes for pagination
> and
> > signatures when describing a multipart entity.
> >
> > Have fun,
> > Allison
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 11:08 Erin Blake <erin.blake.folger at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Could be worse, you could have the 37-volume edition ;)
> >>
> >> I like Allison Rich's example of two 500 notes, one that begins
> >> "Pagination:" and one that begins "Signatures:".
> >>
> >> When it's all in the same 500 note, it's harder to figure out, because
> >> users are accustomed to seeing the label at the start of a Signatures
> note.
> >> See http://hamnet.folger.edu/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?BBID=174459 for an
> >> example of one that, in retrospect, would probably have benefitted from
> >> having separate notes.
> >>
> >> And just in case someone at the Folger does go back and edit it, here's
> >> what's there as of 2020-07-24, for the benefit of anyone reading this in
> >> the DCRM-L Archives:
> >>
> >> Vol. 1. Signatures: A?? (-A12) B?? C? D-T??. Pagination: [2], li, [5],
> >> 383, [1] p., [7] leaves of plates -- v. 2. Signatures: A-Q??.
> Pagination:
> >> 384 p., [5] leaves of plates -- v. 3. Signatures: A-T??; T12 blank.
> >> Pagination: 454 p., [5] leaves of plates -- v. 4. Signatures: A-T?? U??
> >> (-U11-12). Pagination: 476 p., [5] leaves of plates -- v. 5. Signatures:
> >> A-R??. Pagination: 408 p., [4] leaves of plates -- v. 6. Signatures:
> A-P??.
> >> Pagination: 360 p., [4] leaves of plates -- v. 7. A-P?? Q?. Pagination:
> >> 371, [1] p., [4] leaves of plates -- v. 8. Signatures: A-S?? T-Z? 2A?
> >> (-2A6). Pagination: 427, [75] p., [4] leaves of plates -- v. 9.
> Signatures:
> >> A-S??. Pagination: 426, [6] p., [7] leaves of plates -- v. 10.
> Signatures:
> >> A? B-U??. Pagination: xii, 453, [3] p., [2] leaves of plates.
> >>
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Erin.
> >>
> >>
> >> ______________________
> >> Erin Blake, Ph.D.  |  Senior Cataloger  |  Folger Shakespeare Library  |
> >> 201 E. Capitol St. SE, Washington, DC, 20003  |  eblake at folger.edu  |
> >> www.folger.edu
> >> <
> https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/-t5RCjRgpBtArRXC7R7_2?domain=urldefense.com
> >
> >>   |  Pronouns: she/her/hers
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 10:47 AM Rich, Allison <allison_rich at brown.edu>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I have catalogued these volumes.
> >>> They are absolutely beautiful.
> >>>
> >>> What we do is to put in two separate 500 notes:
> >>>
> >>> 500 Pagination: v. 1: ... etc.
> >>> 500 Signatures: v. 1: ... etc.
> >>>
> >>> Enjoy cataloguing this beautiful set.
> >>> Allison
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 10:39 Melissa Harris <melissa at osgf.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Good morning,
> >>>> I am new to this digest. I am working on a 23 volume set of rare
> books,
> >>>> "Description de l'E?gypte, ou, Recueil de observations et des
> >>>> recherches qui ont e?te? faites en E?gypte pendant l'e?xpe?dition de
> >>>> l'arme?e franc?aise...." The library wants to catalog them as one
> >>>> bibliographic record, but each book has it's own unique and lengthy
> >>>> signature, which the library wants to be expressed within the record.
> What
> >>>> is the best way to catalog these multivolume collections? The 505
> field
> >>>> seems awkward to me, the field would be so large and cumbersome. I
> >>>> appreciate your input.
> >>>> Best,
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> *Melissa J. Harris, MLIS, MA*
> >>>> Library Database and Catalogue Specialist
> >>>> ???????????????????????????
> >>>> *Oak Spring Garden Foundation*
> >>>> 540-592-3284 <(540)%20592-7068>
> >>>> 1776 Loughborough Lane
> >>>> <
> https://maps.google.com/?q=1776+Loughborough+LaneUpperville,+VA&entry=gmail&source=g
> >
> >>>> Upperville, VA 20184
> >>>> <
> https://maps.google.com/?q=1776+Loughborough+LaneUpperville,+VA&entry=gmail&source=g
> >
> >>>> www.OSGF.org <http://www.osgf.org/>
> >>>>
> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/OakSpringGardenFoundation/>
> >>>> <https://twitter.com/oak_spring>
> >>>> <https://www.instagram.com/oakspringgardenfoundation/>
> >>>>
> >>> --
> >>> ********************************
> >>> "Outside of a dog,
> >>> a book is probably man's best friend,
> >>> and inside of a dog,
> >>> it's too dark to read.
> >>> - Groucho Marx"
> >>>
> >>> Allison Rich
> >>> Rare Materials Cataloguer
> >>>
> >>> ESTC and NACO Coordinator
> >>>
> >>> John Carter Brown Library
> >>> Providence, Rhode Island
> >>> Allison_Rich at brown.edu
> >>> ********************************
> >>>
> >>> --
> > ********************************
> > "Outside of a dog,
> > a book is probably man's best friend,
> > and inside of a dog,
> > it's too dark to read.
> > - Groucho Marx"
> >
> > Allison Rich
> > Rare Materials Cataloguer
> >
> > ESTC and NACO Coordinator
> >
> > John Carter Brown Library
> > Providence, Rhode Island
> > Allison_Rich at brown.edu
> > ********************************
> >
> >
>
> --
> Randal S. Brandt
> The Bancroft Library | University of California, Berkeley
> 510.643.2275 | rbrandt at library.berkeley.edu
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